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Ethanol could leave the world hungry
Cnn.com ^
| 8-16-06
| Lester Brown
Posted on 08/29/2006 5:55:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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To: Hydroshock
But....Global Warming (trademark, Algore LLC) should expand both the growing season and the Northern extent for grain. Win-win.
Keep driving those SUVs, folks!
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posted on
08/29/2006 6:14:52 AM PDT
by
Cletus.D.Yokel
(Scatology is Serendipitous)
To: steve-b
Has anybody been to the corn palace?
42
posted on
08/29/2006 6:14:57 AM PDT
by
poinq
To: steve-b
"Bravo Sierra. All the government has to do is quit paying farmers to not grow corn, and there'd be enough to eat, turn into ethanol, and build a mile-wide bowl of Corn Chex."
What he said!!
In fact, if the gov got out of business of business entirely, thermaldepolymerization, ethanol, and other biodeisel programs could be flourishing.
These are not the solutions to petroindependence, they are some solutions.
It is a bad bet to understimate Americans' capacity for innovation. It is also ill advised to underestimate government capacity to stifle innovation under the weight of beuracracy.
Top sends
43
posted on
08/29/2006 6:16:18 AM PDT
by
petro45acp
(SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
To: Hydroshock
Lots of tasty venison to be eaten with all that corn growing everywhere, feeding nice fat deer.
44
posted on
08/29/2006 6:16:41 AM PDT
by
EricT.
(SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
To: Hydroshock
We are facing an epic competition between the 800 million motorists who want to protect their mobility and the two billion poorest people in the world who simply want to survive.
um....and the US is responsible for feeding & fueling the world ?
careful here...it might be Willie Green time for you....
To: poinq
Ah, Yes , but the one in Mitchell is an energy sink not a producer!
46
posted on
08/29/2006 6:17:49 AM PDT
by
hurly
(A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
To: PogySailor
47
posted on
08/29/2006 6:18:19 AM PDT
by
petro45acp
(SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
To: P-40
LOL! "Positive Cash Flow" - yeah, right. Cash flow in extreme quantities from your taxpayer wallet into the hands of heavily subsidized corn farmers, and former brewery owners.
Reminds me of some Andean tribes that were too busy burning dung for heat instead of using it for fertilizer to grow food, and ended up starving to death.
If you forget the lessons of the past, you're doomed to repeat them.
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posted on
08/29/2006 6:19:29 AM PDT
by
xcamel
(Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
To: P-40
Dr. Tad Patzek, a petroleum and chemical engineer at UC Berkeley, has researched this question. He has carefully studied the amount of energy consumed in producing ethanol versus the amount of energy produced.
"Ethanol production from corn is a fossil-energy-losing proposition," Patzek told the Canadian National Farmer's Union:
49
posted on
08/29/2006 6:20:45 AM PDT
by
hurly
(A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
To: from occupied ga
"Total crap, which has been refute on this forum countless times
No my friend you the one who is full of crap and I have news for you. Your ignorant opinion doesn't refute thermodynamics."
details if convenient...
50
posted on
08/29/2006 6:20:49 AM PDT
by
petro45acp
(SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
To: clodkicker
I recognize that ethanol isn't an end all solution but it is a start. When the first oil was pumped in Pa. the cost was equal to about $700 a barrel price adjusted to today's pricing. Back then, only about 20% of a barrel of oil could be converted into gasoline. Today more than 80% can be converted into gasoline.
The simple fact of the matter is that necessity truly is the mother of invention and the need exists.
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posted on
08/29/2006 6:21:13 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
To: from occupied ga
All the new plants use the corn stalks and solid waste to provide themselves with all of their energy requirements with plenty of byproduct left over, which is given away as livestock feed.
The plants are 100% self sufficient, no fossil fuels are used at all.
Perhaps you have ethanol confused with Hydrogen Fuel Cells.
52
posted on
08/29/2006 6:21:43 AM PDT
by
HEY4QDEMS
(Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
To: stylin19a
I have made no comment on this other then to say it should be interesting see what happens in the next few years.
53
posted on
08/29/2006 6:22:58 AM PDT
by
Hydroshock
( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
To: clodkicker
The corn will be grown whether or not there is an ethanol industry.Yes of course. And the de-ethanoled feed is better for the livestock. That still doesn't make Ethanol a fuel sans subsidy - it just makes the subsidy cheaper.
If you want to reduce fuel dependance: drill in ANWR and double refining capacity. Subsidising ethanol - subsidising ANYTHING - cannot be the answer to America's fuel requirements.
To: from occupied ga
You're not aware of this apparently, but it is wholly possible to power an ethanol plant with the spent grain from the distillation process. Any modern plant has that capability. An advantage of ethanol over fossil fuels, however, is that while the by-products of oil refining are toxic, the by-products of ethanol distillation are edible.
Distillers dried grains are a more readily digested animal feed than the unprocessed corn was to begin with. As long as the market continues to recognize the feed value of DDG's, they will be sold as animal feed, otherwise they will be used as boiler fuel.
To: IamConservative
Just FYI:
A 100 million gallon/year ethanol plant uses about the same amount of water as a town of around 8,000 population. The heart of the Corn Belt (where most ethanol plants are located) isn't likely to run short of water.
I believe it takes more water to refine oil into a gallon of gasoline than to make a gallon of ethanol.
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posted on
08/29/2006 6:24:03 AM PDT
by
hlmencken3
(Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
To: mcg2000
Precisely. The amount of unused arable land in the world continues to RISE not decline. (Of course that statistic was from a UN study, so maybe I should take it with a rock of salt!)
57
posted on
08/29/2006 6:24:07 AM PDT
by
brothers4thID
(Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
To: Hydroshock
I've read some lame excuses against the use of Ethanol .... but this is the lame-o-ist of them all.
58
posted on
08/29/2006 6:27:10 AM PDT
by
Fighting Irish
(Béagán agus a rá go maith)
To: Hydroshock
The mendacity and hypocrisy of liberals on environmental matters are astounding. Growing more corn would decrease dependence on fossil fuels, yet liberals would scream if Federal programs that have placed marginal farm land out of cultivation were abolished. Total acres under cultivation in the United States have declined since the 1920s. Urbanization has some role in this decline, but the main reason is the gradual abandonment of small farms that has been occurring since Dust Bowl and Depression days. In places like the Ozarks and East and Central Texas, land once used for subsistence farming has long since gone to pasture and second growth forest. Our country is hardly running out of land, despite what the environmental wackos believe.
The solution to a potential shortage of corn is to grow more corn. The best thing Federal and state agricultural officials can do is to stay out of the way of market forces.
To: Iowa Granny
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posted on
08/29/2006 6:27:47 AM PDT
by
kayak
(Praying for MozartLover's son, Jemian's son, all our military, and our President every day!)
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