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America's Taliban strikes again
Arkansas News Bureau ^ | 28 August 2006 | John Brummett

Posted on 08/28/2006 6:31:13 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault. Darwin made him do it. Complicit as well are any who buy into the scientific theory that modern man evolved from lower animal forms.

That's the latest lunacy from one of our more fanatical right-wing American Christian television outfits, the Coral Ridge Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

Coral Ridge espouses that America is not a free-religion nation, but a Christian one. It argues there should be no separation of church and state.

Thus it's America's Taliban, America's Shiite theocracy.

It certainly has a propensity for explaining or excusing Hitler. A few years ago it brought in a conference speaker to argue that American abortion was a more horrible atrocity than the Holocaust.

One year it disinvited Cal Thomas as a conference speaker after Brother Cal got too liberal. You're thinking I must be kidding. But I kid you not. Brother Cal had displayed the utter audacity to co-author a book contending that American Christian conservatives ought to worry a little more about spreading the gospel from the bottom of the culture up rather than from the top of politics down.

Now this: Coral Ridge is airing a couple of cable installments of a "documentary," called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy," that seek to make a case that, without Darwin, there could have been no Hitler.

Authoritative sources for the program include no less than columnist Ann Coulter, noted scientist, who says she is outraged that she didn't get instructed in Darwin's effective creation of Hitler when she was in school. She says she has since come to understand that Hitler was merely a Darwinist trying, by extermination of a group of people he considered inferior because of their religion and heritage, to "hurry along" the natural survival of the Aryan fittest.

Also quoted is Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Project, who tells the Anti-Defamation League that his comments were used out of context and that he is "absolutely appalled" by the "utterly misguided and inflammatory" premise of Coral Ridge's report.

The documentary's theme is really quite simple: Darwin propounded the theory of evolution. Hitler came along and believed the theory. Hitler killed Jews. So, blame Darwin for the Holocaust. Blame, too, all others who agree with or advance Darwin's theory. Get back to God and Adam and Eve and all will be right again with the world.

"To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler," said Dr. D. James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries. "The legacy of Charles Darwin is millions of deaths."

Obviously, the theme is breath-taking nonsense. You can't equate academic theory with murderous practice. You can't equate a thinker and a madman, or science and crime.

And you can't ever blame one man for another's actions. That once was a proud conservative precept. In a different context, you'll no doubt find Coral Ridge fervently preaching personal responsibility. Except, apparently, for Adolf Hitler, to whom these religious kooks issue a pass. Ol' Adolf, it seems, just fell in with a bad crowd.

By Coral Ridge's premise, Mohammed is to blame for Osama bin Laden. Actually, Coral Ridge might not argue with that. So how about this: The pope is to blame for the IRA. And Jesus is to blame for Mel Gibson, not to mention Coral Ridge Ministries.

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To: js1138
Now stop piling on. Everybody knows the executions will be in private, and even then only after the misguided ones refuse to undergo sterilization.
101 posted on 08/28/2006 7:56:56 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thus it's America's Taliban, America's Shiite theocracy.

I don't think so. When was the last time that Coral Ridge Ministries lined up burqa clad women and shot them because the women didn't live up to Coral Ridge's interpretation of Christianity?

102 posted on 08/28/2006 7:58:23 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Graybeard58
Have they advocated killing those who don't agree with them?

No, no, no. It's way to soon for that. First, you paint the enemy to be a thing worthy of killing, in this case by claiming that they created Hitler.

103 posted on 08/28/2006 7:59:25 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

I admire your patience.

Regards,


104 posted on 08/28/2006 8:00:13 AM PDT by LiberationIT
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To: LiberationIT

Thanks, but it's just about exhausted here anyway :)


105 posted on 08/28/2006 8:00:54 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: JamesP81

"In the world of political debate, which exists outside of a science lab I might add, we have this thing called hyperbole. It's an interesting concept."

In the scientific world, hyperbole is sometimes called good old-fashioned lying. That's an interesting concept as well.


106 posted on 08/28/2006 8:00:54 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Dr. Thorne
I haven't heard one word of refutation of what Kennedy says, only insults.

OK, how about this? Nazism was based on the concept of a master race and the belief that culture degenerates when distict races intermix. It was dependent on the acceptance that the Aryan race, as decending from the Nordic warrior peoples, was the personification of all that was pure and holy among the races. The purity of the race was paramount, and the idea that it or another race might evolve into something better or higher was discounted. I don't think Darwin ever went down that road. And I doubt that Hitler would sign on to Darwin's ideas that he evolved from a lower species or that intermixing might produce a stronger, more survivable hybrid. After all, purity of the race was paramount, protection of the culture was everything. In the end Nazism is more dependent on the works of men like Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Chamberlain and Frederich Nietzsche, men who based none of their writings on Darwin, than on Darwin himself. Had Darwin never existed, Hitler most likely still would have, all other things being equal. But for Kennedy it's not about fact or science. It's easier to slander Darwin by linking him to Hitler than it is to provide evidence of ID that refutes his findings. It's completely understandable why he took this route instead.

107 posted on 08/28/2006 8:00:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: highball

"These men aren't conservatives.'

Neither, we find, are the gang in Washington, DC. Much like the elusive Yankee, finding an American conservative has become as bewildering as the road direction "go down the road a piece and turn left where the old school house used to be."

The splintering of the right continues apace. Socons, theocons, neocons, paleocons...

Liberals have a different problem. Renaming themselves progressives doesn't distance them from their politics. The L word has been anathema for twenty years and the only variance is left, far left and Michael Moore's your daddy.


108 posted on 08/28/2006 8:02:40 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: EternalVigilance
Fact is, nazi racism had roots that went down into multiple soils. But all those soils had this is common: They were found in hearts that disbelieved the clear words and teaching of the Bible.

Interesting point. Much effort is exerted to describe what Hitler and Nazism was, but not as much on what it was not. Normally, this information wouldn't matter, but in this case it's quite telling.
109 posted on 08/28/2006 8:02:57 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Smehow I doubt you've ever said, suggested, or implied that someone comparing evangelicals or conservatives to the Taliban was engaging in hyperbole.

No I haven't for the simple reason that I've seen enough of these threads to know that most of the time the comparison is not hyperbolic, but honest. This certainly isn't true of all, but I have good reason to believe it's true of a great many.
110 posted on 08/28/2006 8:05:16 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: r9etb

Hitler was an embodiment of bad science and bad theology who found a willing audience to practice both.


111 posted on 08/28/2006 8:05:33 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: r9etb
Two words, Steve: Social Darwinism.

Ah. I see that you're one of those folks who assumes that labels always mean what the common meanings of the words imply.

I assume that only pressing business has kept you from moving to the perfect nation, the Republic that is run for the benefit of the People. When you're able to go, give my regards to Pyongyang.

112 posted on 08/28/2006 8:06:24 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

"It's easier to slander Darwin by linking him to Hitler..."

Excellent analysis.


113 posted on 08/28/2006 8:06:26 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: stormer
In the scientific world, hyperbole is sometimes called good old-fashioned lying

That might be so. FR, however, is not a science forum meaning hyperbole is a normal feature of operations here. When in Rome...
114 posted on 08/28/2006 8:07:26 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: PatrickHenry

There is a difference between "evolved from 'lower' animal forms" and the assertion that man differs from the apes only in degree and interjects in ascending order the races of man between chimp and the "higher" forms of humanity, with many different clans contesting for that perch.


115 posted on 08/28/2006 8:08:01 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: r9etb
But then, we should never forget that along with scientific advancement, comes the responsibility to understand the difference between "can" and "should."

You're hardly in a position to lecture others on a responsibility that you have explicitly abdicated.

116 posted on 08/28/2006 8:08:07 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: JamesP81
Why on earth should we assume that someone who might agree with us on some issue is not making an honest comparison, while someone who might disagree with us on some issue is making an honest comparison?

Your method for interpreting the intentions of others is...interesting, at least. LOL.

117 posted on 08/28/2006 8:09:03 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Skooz
Senator Befellow, I've read all of your exchange with Skooz. Him saying that such people should be removed from the gene pool was admittedly overt the top IMHO...but when called on it, in his post 53 and his post 76 he admitted he advocated killing no one and that he really just wished they would voluntarily stop breeding.

That's good enough for me and sounds like he retracted what most people took for the statement's meaning...my own feeling is that you should let it go now after those two comments he made, otherwise, you begin to look to be about as intolerant as you claim he is.

Just my opinion...it cost nothing and you can take it for what its worth.

118 posted on 08/28/2006 8:09:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: JamesP81

When in Rome I don't tell lies.


119 posted on 08/28/2006 8:11:13 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: ckilmer
but likely you're pcusa so it doesn't count.

Church of Scotland, actually. The auld kirk.

--R.

120 posted on 08/28/2006 8:12:38 AM PDT by RustMartialis
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