Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Breaking Fox - Kidnapped Fox journalists released
Fox News | 8-27-06 | Fox News

Posted on 08/27/2006 12:41:00 AM PDT by Crazieman

Per Fox News


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: carterlegacy; centanni; convertoislamordie; deathcult; forcedconversions; fox; foxnews; gunpointconversions; hostages; hostagesreleased; islam; islamiccancer; islamofascism; itsinthekoran; kidnapped; lyingterrorists; mediamorons; muhammadsminions; muslim; nolinkydinky; olaf; olafwiig; stevecentanni; stockholmsyndrome; trop; waronislam; wiig; wot
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 741-760761-780781-800 ... 1,261-1,265 next last
To: Crazieman

All I can say is Thank God they're safe. Thank God indeed.


761 posted on 08/27/2006 7:23:42 AM PDT by younghoosier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Don Joe
(Which reminds me of a knee-slapper of PC insanity, in which a well-known newspaper "corrected" a story about race issues in South Africa. When it went to press, it made reference to "White South Africans" and "African-American South Africans." I kid you not.)

...and remember the story of "Getting [a budget] Back into the African-American!" that ran in the early 90s...(was that in The Nation?) :-)

Those automated PC checkers were a hoot. I was waiting for the election-year story saying, "Throw the ~Homeless~ Out!"

762 posted on 08/27/2006 7:24:04 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 737 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
And if they were Christians, is there not the concern of having committed apostasy?
763 posted on 08/27/2006 7:24:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 753 | View Replies]

To: pillut48

Ah yes. Nice catch!


764 posted on 08/27/2006 7:25:51 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 755 | View Replies]

To: airborne

Exactly. And every rational human on earth should realize that whatever captives say on tape, is said under duress and doesn't mean a damn thing.


765 posted on 08/27/2006 7:28:04 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ARealMothersSonForever
Such rantings will get you relegated to the FR Fight Club. Islam is a religion of peace that offers barbaric Christians, Jews, and kidnapped "guests" the opportunity to make their lives complete. CNN, FOX, CNBC, and legions of FRiends have told me so.

As well as several posters on this thread that would water down what Christianity is.

766 posted on 08/27/2006 7:30:05 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 757 | View Replies]

To: Gondring
Uh, actually, MANY early Christians DID go to their deaths for their beliefs rather than hide. Likely if they hadn't done THAT, the beliefs wouldn't have survived, as their martyrdom left quite an impression on others.

No kidding, and every Sunday when I attend Mass I give them honor in the Creed I state. I've never denied that many gave their lives for their beliefs. However, not all Christians have been or were called to Martyr themselves for Jesus or for the cause.

That does not change the facts of what I said. If all early Christians who's lives were in jeopardy had willingly given up that life for their beliefs, we would not be here now.

Considering for hundreds of years being a Christian was an instant death sentence, you can easily say more people did not die for their beliefs. God used them in other ways, to spread the word of Jesus throughout the world and for future generations.
767 posted on 08/27/2006 7:30:35 AM PDT by Brytani (Keeper of the FR Loofah, Bath-cap and Rubber Duckie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 747 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie
No sugar coating...God looketh on the heart. I believe if we deny God before men and that is what is in our heart, we will be held eternally accountable for it. If we are coersed to do so, then I believe God will judge us according to the intents and true feeling of our heart.

God is looking for us to willing come to Him, not to be forced to mouth words at the point of a gun. Such confessions, such testimonials, such conmversions, are meanigless according to His own word.

768 posted on 08/27/2006 7:31:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 749 | View Replies]

To: sauropod

I work with a guy whose native country is Syria. He uses the word "God" in conversations with me in English, not "allah." But "Allah" is what he means.


In a conversation about forced conversions your point of this was?!?!?

Or do you have a point at all?


769 posted on 08/27/2006 7:32:35 AM PDT by Brytani (Keeper of the FR Loofah, Bath-cap and Rubber Duckie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 748 | View Replies]

To: jackv

Amazing how unforgiving Christians can be. Good thing God is our judge.


770 posted on 08/27/2006 7:32:52 AM PDT by bonfire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 756 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
Not saying that at all.

Those folks that died there as a result of their true convictions to Christ will be eternally belessed for it...and they probably had little or no choice in the matter. For most, their lives were the testament and they would have been fed to lions for sport whether they mouthed a denial or not IMHO.

Others lived and continued to teach Gods Word in their time and passed it down. Some openly, some in secret.

All I am saying is that God will judge the heart, and that that is where He looks for the anser concerning a persons true faith...not at outward appearances.

771 posted on 08/27/2006 7:34:33 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 753 | View Replies]

To: Allegra
Yeah, I have a few in my neighborhood, too. ;-)

LOL!

772 posted on 08/27/2006 7:35:23 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 726 | View Replies]

To: Allegra
Yeah, I have a few in my neighborhood, too. ;-)

LOL!

773 posted on 08/27/2006 7:35:23 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 726 | View Replies]

To: ConservativeMind
Fake conversion is not the issue.

The press pretending that Hamas and the Pals had nothing to do with this kidnapping is sickening.

So now we are supposed to swallow the line that the "good people" of Hamas and the Pal authority worked hard to get their release from some mythical "radical" group?

Any "reporting" from terrorist hives is totally compromised.
774 posted on 08/27/2006 7:36:55 AM PDT by roses of sharon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 758 | View Replies]

To: Brytani

It obviously was not a true "conversion," but that's not the point. If they were secularists (again, I don't know anything about their religious backgrounds, I am just making assumptions based on my experience with people who work in that world), they were in a sense "renouncing" Western thought and belief, but that's still a significant thing.

Lying to protect somebody else from death is certainly justifiable; there is a heirarchy of values, in that sense. But saying something you don't believe is never justifiable; however, it is forgivable. They were afraid, they just wanted to get out of there, and a few words seemed like no big deal to them, especially since they knew they could publicly renounce them afterwards.

I don't think we here or anybody else should be condemning them as if we were confident that we would somehow say and do the "right thing" when the time came. One never knows. But I do think this "conversion" episode has somehow upped the ante, and I suspect we should all be considering and praying hard about our own reaction in such a case.


775 posted on 08/27/2006 7:38:38 AM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 745 | View Replies]

To: Brytani
In a conversation about forced conversions your point of this was?!?!?

Or do you have a point at all?

Fine. Let me break out the Crayolas so you will be sure to get this.

Your original point was that Centanni did not really convert because he used the exclamation "Thank God." A Muzzie is going to think he means "Thank Allah" for the reason that I have already posted.

In post no. 767, you wrote: However, not all Christians have been or were called to Martyr themselves for Jesus or for the cause.

If Centanni and/or Wiig is a Christian, then that is precisely what they were called to do.

776 posted on 08/27/2006 7:43:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 769 | View Replies]

To: livius
I'm watching Fox News Sunday right now and all I have to say is : I LOVE BRIT HUME!!! He is the BEST! His commentary regarding the release and forced conversions of Steve Centanni and Olaf Wigg is just fabulous. He said something like: What a "great" faith is Islam when people are forced to convert at the end of a gun"? (something like that)

As usual, Brit is right on the money!

777 posted on 08/27/2006 7:43:45 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 775 | View Replies]

To: jackv

Since you included my name on this thread, you seem to be implying that I may have forgotten this historical event you mentioned about Peter denying Jesus three times. Is there a point to your comment? Are you possibly saying that because Peter did something he deeply regretted, and probably would not do again if given another chance, that it makes it alright to deny our faith and then to recant it later? I'm just curious as to what your point is.


778 posted on 08/27/2006 7:43:59 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 756 | View Replies]

To: Crazieman
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day."

One doesn't necessarily have to "run away." You can sidestep, back off, regroup, retreat, translocate, lie, acquiesce, cooperate, try to escape by cunning, or whatever it takes to live to fight another day.

For heaven's sake, an expert was on Fox the other day. His firm trains journalists, overseas businesspeeples and others who go into dangerous locations the techniques in how to live to fight another day, including those listed above.

The chat here by those who would just throw in the towel without using guile and be beheaded just to make a high moral or religious point is getting tedious. Martyrdom is now the purview of the other side in actuality.

In today's war on terror, you use trickery to out-trick the tricksters.

Centanni could play on my team any day. He played the game as he should have.

Enough already of the crappola posted here that the two captives "sold their souls to the devil".

Leni

779 posted on 08/27/2006 7:45:49 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Israel, Hold Firm !................No Retreat means No Repeat !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head

Yes, my FRiend. But God also judges actions.

Think about this. Centanni and Wiig were placed in a situation where the world media was following their story.

If they are true believers (and I do not know if they are or not), it's quite possible God placed them there to bear a witness to the world.

What they did or did not do will reverberate for years to come.

I think this sets a nasty precedent. The Muzzies will continue (with more frequency) to kidnap and forcibly try to convert people. The world just got a little more dangerous.


780 posted on 08/27/2006 7:47:50 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 771 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 741-760761-780781-800 ... 1,261-1,265 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson