Posted on 08/27/2006 12:41:00 AM PDT by Crazieman
Per Fox News
While you haven't some have. I also trust in the justice, mercy and forgiveness of my Lord Jesus Christ.
< Olaf gave that "poor-Palis-that-need-their-story-out" rant AFTER he was released. >
We don't know yet if they will continue to say that (I suspect they will...once a journalist...always a journalist?) but please take note that he was still in Gaza at that press conference. He was literally still among the enemy.
Your comparison is asinine.
The lunacy that God does not judge us by what's in our heart is just well lunacy.
Very true.
Yeah, I have a few in my neighborhood, too. ;-)
It could even be televised world wide.
Bingo.
First thing that came to my mind when I saw the news this morning.
Yes of course, Centanni meant Allah, ok....yep, we have your word for it so it makes it so.
We all know that of course he's converted completely...the fact he told the world how a gun was shoved into his face forcing him to make the tape means nothing.
I thought about this a lot this morning at church. Oddly enough, the reading today was about the Jews having to choose between the gods of the Ammorites and the True God.
I would doubt, first of all, that either of the two journalists was a practicing Christian (most journalists aren't, regardless of who they work for) so in a sense, they weren't rejecting their Christian faith, specifically.
But in the eyes of the Muslims, they were doing just that, because the Muslims regard the West as synonymous with Judaism/Christianity, so the Muzzies got the propaganda value they wanted out of it, and the ME has just become much more dangerous for all. This won't be the last of these kidnappings for forced conversion (propaganda) purposes.
In terms of the early Christian martyrs, there was serious debate in the early Church over whether Christians who had apostasized could be forgiven and welcomed back. It was decided that they could be, although of course they had to do penance.
Fortunately, most martyrs realized the importance of what they were saying and doing and did not apostasize, or, as you say, there would have been no Christianity. Words and gestures are our way of communicating our interior disposition to the world; interestingly, what the reporters said was not considered binding by them, but obviously was considered so by their captors.
Oh, I love that idea. Send an email to Fox and maybe they'll do it! :-)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690790/posts
Hostage Affair in Gaza is Ended by a Three-Part Ransom (Centanni and Wiig's kidnapper identified)
DEBKAfile ^ | 8-27-06
Posted on 08/27/2006 9:45:59 AM EDT by jdm
Having said that, and knowing that this is what the fundamentalist Islamics think and is their mindset ...what God in Heaven thinks is an entirely different matter. He will judge these men based on the intent and real thoughts of their hearts.
Forced, coerersed mouthing of words is not conversion, and any rational person knows this in the heart...instead, it is a satanic lie. Conversion occurs in the heart, and God in Heaven looketh on the heart, not on the outward appearance.
I'm sure this fact will be taken into consideration before either of the two men decide if and when they will return to Gaza or anywhere in the Islamic world.
I pray they will not end up like some others who've said something to insult some psychopathic Imman and a death warrant is issued for them.
See my post 733 for more thoughts on this matter.
Perhaps to you...
The Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials?
You think that was 'normal' behavior?
Koresh? Halle Bop? Jim Jones? Shall I go on?
Thanks for playing.
My condolences.:) (My tastes run much more in the Pournelle, Niven, Kornbluth, and [early] Heinlein direction. I read for fun. If I wanted to read for work, I'd pick up a copy of Beowulf, LOL!) (Hey, has anyone grabbed "Grendel" as a login name yet? :)
But you're lumping all the media together and I've heard many, many reporters on FNC refer to Islam as being filled with Islamofascists. I've heard such extreme language used in the last few weeks that a time or two I thought they should be more cautious for a variety of reasons.
I was generalizing. I even said so!:) IOW, I wasn't implying that it was universal. However, it is becoming increasingly common, if not outright prevalent. Seems like I see it most on some of the wire services. I would not be surprised if it's in some recent revision of a style book, similar to the mandated use of the neologism "African-American." (Which reminds me of a knee-slapper of PC insanity, in which a well-known newspaper "corrected" a story about race issues in South Africa. When it went to press, it made reference to "White South Africans" and "African-American South Africans." I kid you not.)
Good points you make. Thanks for sharing them.
I was listening to the three stooges on F&F and they were going on and on about how great it was that the two journalists didn't have any animosity towards their captors, they were being professional in doing so, etc.. I found this smacked of appalling, sickening, and full of the usual liberal white guilt. We are talking about vicious animal terrorists, kidnapped two of their own, threatened them, and the three stooges felt they had to humanize these terrorist and basically give them a pass. I thought the moral relativism by the news media was disgusting.
Agreed! Bible=God's Forgiveness displayed time and time again.
(Thank you, Jesus! :*)
In the Old Testament is the story of either a general or leader who loved the true God, but his job was to escort the king at the time to the pagan temple so the king could worship idols--I remember the held the king's arm and as part of his job he had to bow/kneel before the idol as well--he asked a prophet if God would forgive him, and he was told, YES. I'm trying to locate the specific passage to quote.
I know without a doubt that if Steve and Olaf were forced to comply with the terrorists' demands to 'convert', and they truly did not, that God *will* indeed forgive them for doing what they did.
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