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To: Carry_Okie
I have thought of this too. As far as the fundamental Islamics are concerned, they have been "converted" and the fundamentalists will hold them to it, despite the coersion. They will use it for propganda amongst their ignorant and indoctrinated masses.

Having said that, and knowing that this is what the fundamentalist Islamics think and is their mindset ...what God in Heaven thinks is an entirely different matter. He will judge these men based on the intent and real thoughts of their hearts.

Forced, coerersed mouthing of words is not conversion, and any rational person knows this in the heart...instead, it is a satanic lie. Conversion occurs in the heart, and God in Heaven looketh on the heart, not on the outward appearance.

733 posted on 08/27/2006 6:59:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

THIS IS MY hastily typed Transcript of Steve Centani “Allah” Video. As I watched it, I could see that it had been heavily edited, the camera position jumps several times. I appears Steve had to repeat, re-read several sections until his captors were satisfied. It is very forced and stilted reading.




"My name is Steve, I am an American. After I entered Islam, I changed my name to Khaled.
I have embraced Islam and say the word Allah. The leader is the Prophet Mohammed. Peace be upon him.

Islam is not meant just for some people but , it is the true religion for all people in all times.
Westerners are following the wrong path and I hope they realize that uh, I hope they realize that and change their ways, I hope I can help them to do that, Insha allah.

Islam helps people to love mercy, brotherhood, equality and justice.
There is no justification for invading Afghanistan and bringing death, injury and suffering to innocent men, women and children.

There is no justice when USA invades Iraq and again, leaving death, injury and suffering in its wake,
the suffering of innocent men, women and children.

Allah knows and sees all of these injustices and according to the Koran, disbelivers will be cast into an eternal fire. But Allah also is ever merciful and the West can change its ways and turn to the purifying power of Islam. The Muslims are good people and have allah in their hearts. And, it’s an offense against Islam and against Allah when muslim people are imprisoned in Abu Ghraib and tortured in their. Islam forbids torture even of non-muslims. Muslim people belive in peace and they love brotherhood.

I have a message for President Bush as well. Islam is not fascism. Words like that only serve to deepen the great chasm between peoples, to fan the flames of anger and distrust that already burn in the Muslim world.

The West is seen as waging war on Islam, and these words, “Islamic fascists” only reconfirm that belief among many. Please President Bush, please Tony Blair, open your minds to Islam and bring peace to all people around the world.

The tape continues with Olaf Wiig…with the same kind of propaganda they were forced to read."


746 posted on 08/27/2006 7:11:07 AM PDT by GRRRRR (WHERE is the next Ronald Reagan? Virginia?)
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To: Jeff Head
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Y'shua was a bit tougher than that. He knew the stakes in life and death and didn't sugar coat it a bit.

749 posted on 08/27/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Jeff Head
Forced, coerersed mouthing of words is not conversion, and any rational person knows this in the heart...instead, it is a satanic lie. Conversion occurs in the heart, and God in Heaven looketh on the heart, not on the outward appearance.

Jeff, then are you saying that the Christians who were fed to the lions in Rome should have just gone ahead and declared the Caesar of the times God just to live?

Of what value then is Martyrdom? Of what value then is Christianity?

753 posted on 08/27/2006 7:18:28 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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