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How Modern Were European Neanderthals?
Eureka Alert ^ | 8-25-2006 | Hannah Johnson

Posted on 08/25/2006 12:05:53 PM PDT by blam

Contact: Hannah Johnson
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How modern were European Neanderthals?

Neandertals were much more like modern humans than had been previously thought, according to a re-examination of finds from one of the most famous palaeolithic sites in Europe by Bristol University archaeologist, Professor Joao Zilhao, and his French colleagues.

Professor Zilhao has been able to show that sophisticated artefacts such as decorated bone points and personal ornaments found in the Châtelperronian culture of France and Spain were genuinely associated with Neandertals around 44,000 years ago, rather than acquired from modern humans who might have been living nearby. His findings are published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) USA.

The site from which this Neandertal culture derives its name is the Grotte de Fées at Châtelperron in Central France, first excavated in the 1840s. It has been one of the most important and controversial places to understand how modern humans that had previously moved out of Africa replaced the Neandertals, often portrayed as more 'primitive'. In the conventional interpretation of the rock strata of the site, the cave was thought to have evidence of both modern human and Neandertal occupation in interleaved layers. The fact that Neandertals came back to the site after modern humans had lived in it for quite some time would prove the long-term contemporaneity of the two groups, and validate the notion that the cultural novelties seen among the latest Neandertals represented immitation or borrowing, not innovation.

Now archaeologists can show that the Grotte des Fées stratigraphic pattern is illusory because the supposedly Neandertal levels overlying those belonging to the modern human Aurignacian culture are in fact backdirt from nineteenth-century fossil hunting. According to Professor Zilhao and his team, this adds to the evidence from other sites in the region that the Neandertals already had the capacity for symbolic thinking before the arrival of the modern humans into western Europe, which has been radiocarbon dated to around 40,000 years ago.

Professor Zilhao said: "This discovery, along with research on the rock strata at other cave sites, has huge implications for how we view the European Neandertals and, more widely, human evolution. The differences between Neandertals and modern humans may be much less than had been previously thought, suggesting that human cognition and symbolic thinking may date back to before the two sub-species split around 400,000 years ago."


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To: DaveLoneRanger

Do you want to be put on the GGG Ping list? That's where most of these originate.


41 posted on 08/25/2006 9:19:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Neandertals were much more like modern humans than had been previously thought, according to a re-examination of finds from one of the most famous palaeolithic sites in Europe by Bristol University archaeologist, Professor Joao Zilhao, and his French colleagues.

Whaddya know.....

42 posted on 08/25/2006 9:58:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: meandog

Now THAT'S funny.


43 posted on 08/25/2006 9:59:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RightWhale
A poll says Chevy 5 to 1.

ARRGH!

Me Neader-whatever!!

44 posted on 08/26/2006 6:15:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
Hey man, I'm just happy to have escaped another Helen Thomas pic thus far!!!

Say the magic words............


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45 posted on 08/26/2006 6:18:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

D'oh! Had to open my big mouth didn't I? LOL


46 posted on 08/26/2006 7:39:03 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (The trouble with muslim immigrants: There can be no integration without inebriation!)
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"if you go by the naturalist dating methodology, you can get any kinda old date ya want or need. "

I haven't had a date in ages. Maybe their method will help me!


47 posted on 08/26/2006 8:24:21 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: blam

Yeah? Well, as western Europe becomes more muslim-ized, it may well find itself gone full circle...


48 posted on 08/26/2006 8:29:01 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: meandog

LOLOLOLOL


50 posted on 08/26/2006 8:42:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: blam
Jack Cuozzo a forensic Dentist has research the subject of Neanderthal Man and the relations to their different shaped head.

http://www.jackcuozzo.com/

Dr. Cuozzo is a born again Christian and will be refuted by any one who does not believe in God.

His research is easy to understand and explains the difference in a way that Complements the Bible not contradicts.

When science is in agreement with the Word of God it is correct.

I recommend that believers and non believers read his books before criticizing his work.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/cuozzo_cg.html

Buried Alive: The Startling Truth about Neanderthal Man. By Jack Cuozzo Green Forest, Arkansas: Master Books. 349pp. ISBN 0-89051-238-8. Reviewed by Colin Groves.

Jack Cuozzo is an orthodontist who works in a hospital in New Jersey, trained in forensic anthropology by the noted physical anthropologist W.M.Krogman. He is fascinated by the Neandertal fossils, and has personally examined and X-rayed many of them; this makes him unusual, possibly unique, because he is also a creationist. I know of no other creationist who has even tried to look at original fossil hominids: not Lubenow, not Bowden, certainly not Gish, all of whom snipe away from a position of profound ignorance. But Cuozzo has studied the originals: what difference does it make to his assessment of them?

His descriptions and basic assessments of the fossils, informed by his training and his skills in the othodontic field, are almost uniformly excellent, especially in his concluding "Research Notes" section. The way he reconstructed the subadult skull from Le Moustier is a case in point; his slightly patronising surprised tone when he reports (p.300) that the curators are using his radiographs to "put it together correctly" is quite uncalled-for: the curators realised that he very obviously knew what he was doing. In four and a half pages (pp.274-279) he demolishes the notion that the distinctive Neandertal morphology is entirely due to disease, taking apart the three proposed hypotheses - arthritis, syphilis, rickets - one by one; he even chastises a fellow creationist, Lubenow, for getting caught up in the rickets hypothesis. So one is the more astonished to read, in the next page and a half, from this man who has so clearly established that Neandertal morphology is real, that the entire appearance of the Kabwe (Broken Hill, Rhodesian) skull was caused by acromegaly!

51 posted on 08/26/2006 12:17:25 PM PDT by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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I'm glad (lots of laughs) I stuck with this thread to yours.

http://www.jackcuozzo.com/

Excellent link!


52 posted on 08/27/2006 10:02:31 AM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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