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Shocker: Democrat lead in US House race drops to only two points (the worm is turning Smithers)
Human Events ^ | 8/22/06 | Election Dog

Posted on 08/22/2006 5:55:48 AM PDT by teddyballgame

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To: Torie

I've downgraded the Fitzpatrick seat in part because I think the odds are somewhat reduced that there will be a Dem "wave" on Election Day and in part because Fitzpatrick & Murphy have held there first debate.

On the first point, both WA-08 and PA-08 were bumped up a bit in my estimation due to freshmen representatives in swing districts tending to be highly vulnerable to past wave elections. On the second point, in the articles I've read on the debate Murphy strikes me as somewhat 'amateur' and vague in his answers while Fitzpatrick is very aggresively distancing himself from GWB, and from the Iraq War in particular.


201 posted on 08/24/2006 8:53:12 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
Fitzpatrick & Murphy have held there first debate.

And? Did you watch it or read about it, or what?

202 posted on 08/24/2006 8:54:47 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

Perhaps no more toxic than Kolbe's liberal views were to Conservatives. ;-)

As I said, Graf can afford to run a "take me as I am" campaign. If he fails, might turn out the other GOP candidates might not have done any better. If Giffords wins, she may just be another Karan English fluke. I'm not going to worry too much. ;-)


203 posted on 08/24/2006 8:56:28 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You might worry that Giffords might become the next Moore. :)


204 posted on 08/24/2006 8:59:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie; AntiGuv

do we have any polls on the clay shaw seat?


205 posted on 08/24/2006 9:03:44 PM PDT by crasher
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To: teddyballgame

If I'm not mistaken the raw aggregates need to be somewhere in the >=59% for the Dems to be able to take the house...

Anything close in raw polling generally favors the GOP due to the high concentration of liberals in the large cities and the Gerrymanding that ran rampant in the 70s and 80s.

This is just random notes from the back of my brain, someone more in touch with the science of elections can feel free to correct me.


206 posted on 08/24/2006 9:03:45 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: crasher

There are no recent polls to my knowledge in the PA-08 or the FL-22 elections.


207 posted on 08/24/2006 9:05:19 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Torie
Just HAD to say that, didn't you ?

Well, I'm off to bed. 'Night, folks.

208 posted on 08/24/2006 9:06:16 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AntiGuv

those would be interesting to know. what about the IN-09 seat, Shays seat, or the PA Weldon seat?


209 posted on 08/24/2006 9:07:03 PM PDT by crasher
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To: Torie

I read a few articles and blog remarks about their first debate. I didn't actually hear it myself. They basically agreed on no drilling in ANWR, and they sparred over whether they'd support a preemptive Israeli strike on Iran (Fitzpatrick - Yes; Murphy - No) and about whether Fitzpatrick is getting some veterans cemetary built fast enough.. They also sniped at one another over the anti-pedophile MySpace bill Fitzpatrick has introduced (Murphy says it doesn't go far enough) and over whether Murphy is a 'carpetbagger' to the district.


210 posted on 08/24/2006 9:11:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

But I take it you gathered it helped the incumbent, since you mentioned it in your downgrade, no?


211 posted on 08/24/2006 9:12:19 PM PDT by Torie
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To: crasher

Nope. I haven't seen IN-09, CT-04, or PA-07 polled either.


212 posted on 08/24/2006 9:12:41 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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off topic, but I think you could make a case now that PA Senate race should move from Likely to Lean in your rankings.


213 posted on 08/24/2006 9:13:24 PM PDT by crasher
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To: AntiGuv

PA-07 in particular I would love to see a poll


214 posted on 08/24/2006 9:14:54 PM PDT by crasher
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To: Torie

That is my overall impression of the debate. To be sure, I do not think it's a knock-out on the part of Fitzpatrick, by any stretch, but it seems to me that Fitzpatrick talked about he's done or is doing for the district while Murphy is saying it's not fast enough and mainly running against Bush. Meanwhile, Fitzpatrick is distancing himself from Bush on just about every hot-button issue except stem cell research.


215 posted on 08/24/2006 9:16:39 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: crasher; Torie

Yep, I've already moved Santorum from Likely to Lean. His support level is still abysmal (Santorum hasn't polled above 42%) but the margin has definitely narrowed, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, for what little that's worth.


216 posted on 08/24/2006 9:21:39 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

Well, "abysmal" might be too strong a word. Let's go with "pathetic" instead..


217 posted on 08/24/2006 9:22:38 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

That logic makes sense to me.

Also the Hotline poll out today (Cong. numbers even) saying gives a little more credence to the earlier Gallup assertion (which I have been assuming previous is just an outlier).

Did not see the PA-08 debate, but I take your word on it.

The thing with Santorum-Casey that is kinda unknown is how Casey will play once he gets in debates. According to most polls, there are still roughly 20%-25% of the voters who don't know him well enough to give an opinion of him and that may decide his (and Santorum's) fate.

I will admit that Santorum has been using his time and money effectively this summer, whereas Casey has not, and we're seeing the shift from this in the polls of late, imo. Still a high mountain for Santorum to climb, overall.


218 posted on 08/24/2006 9:59:54 PM PDT by Sam Spade
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To: Sam Spade; Torie; crasher
I just saw this commentary from Stu Rothenberg that's worth considering. Pennsylvania Senate & Virginia Senate: New Numbers, Same Races.

"Here’s my advice: Don’t get carried away. The changes in both races are, so far, superficial. The fundamentals basically remain unchanged."

219 posted on 08/24/2006 10:29:12 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

Ya, I saw that. I believe it more true about Penn than Virginia, unless in debates Casey proves to be ineffective, and Santorum savages him. In Virginia, we will have to wait and see whether Allen gets his stride again, and whether the Dems start pumping money in, and whether Webb flaws emerge.


220 posted on 08/24/2006 10:36:50 PM PDT by Torie
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