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What Say Ye FR? Should a woman be allowed to teach Scripture to men?
Herald Sun ^ | 8-21-06 | n/a

Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J

In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.

Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

This news was posted on FR here and here.

It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.

What is your opinion?


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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Adam was punished for, in essence, choosing Eve over God. Adam was well aware of God's commandment to them not to eat of that one tree in the Garden and knowingly and willfully chose to sin.
The point that God is making is that Satan went to Eve to begin mankind's sin and rebellion against God. He did not go to Adam. He went to Eve for a reason; that reason being that Eve was easier to deceive than Adam. And Satan turned out to be right.

Well, now. I don't want to be a nag but it seems to me that there is a very big contradiction here.

If you think Eve merely sinned because she was deceived by Satan but that Adam sinned because he lusted after Eve then I'll let my kids learn from momma and tell poppa to take his testosterone to the cleaners.

Whether you agree or not, most men are no more than rutting animals and are best left to breaking things and killing.

81 posted on 08/21/2006 6:42:52 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: sinkspur

"Anyway, this whole story, in my view, is just that: a way to relate the fall of man."

Agree.


82 posted on 08/21/2006 6:43:41 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Oh, for heaven's sake, Adam was deceived too! Not directly by the devil, but by the devil through Eve! They were both sinners. That doesn't mean that women should be quiet and listen! Get yourself a better argument! By the way, I was raised Baptist, went to Wheaton College and then became a Catholic after marriage. I never heard any of this stuff in either of those churches.


83 posted on 08/21/2006 6:44:09 PM PDT by MondoQueen (MondoQueen (poetic licenses for sale at this site))
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To: A CA Guy
Nuns did it in private school and I had no problem.

I'm not a catholic, but I'll guess that the nuns taught under the direction of men. where using material not so necessarily written by men but ok by men. As long as they taught things OK by the Catholic Church then they would be ok.

84 posted on 08/21/2006 6:45:52 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: InvisibleChurch
"Good luck trying to find a bunch of men to teach Sunday School."

Indeed. I taught Sunday School for years (and loved it) and cannot remember any male teachers in the program, and it was a large church with a lot of SS students.

85 posted on 08/21/2006 6:46:00 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Every time I hear the word "exercise", I wash my mouth out with chocolate.)
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To: marajade
Its a Sunday school class. Adult men don't attend Sunday school class.

When I was a Southern Baptist, our church did have adult Sunday School for men and women. The men taught the men and the women taught the women. Nothing wrong with that.I actually got my feet wet as a teenager teaching an adult ladies Sunday school class, which was a valuable experience.

I agree that women shoudn't be teaching men, but I also think men shouldn't be teaching women.

Titus 2:3-6 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.

86 posted on 08/21/2006 6:46:00 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: MadLibDisease
The scripture quoted sure doesn't mesh with your above statement. Eve was someone Adam trusted, not much need to have his guard up. Eve should have been on guard against the serpent. Don't let facts get in way of your reasoning.

There are no "facts" in a story about a snake tempting Eve. It is an allegory to illustrate the FACT that man disobeyed God.

Arguing over the details is pointless.

87 posted on 08/21/2006 6:46:44 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: marajade
Read Matthew 19 again. That's not what it says at all.

Read Mark 10:6-12.

"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."

So the question remains. Do Baptists allow divorce and remarriage?

88 posted on 08/21/2006 6:47:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Again, I'm not a baptist. I read there are biblical reasons for divorce and adultry is one.


89 posted on 08/21/2006 6:48:19 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sinkspur
Adam wasn't deceived, he KNEW exactly what he was doing. That's the point. Eve didn't rebel, she was deceived. Adam rebelled.
90 posted on 08/21/2006 6:48:25 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: COEXERJ145
There is an exception to that.

Depends on which gospel you look at.

91 posted on 08/21/2006 6:48:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bob J
It's their church, their private property.

If they want to be stupid bigots, fine, just don't complain when membership dries us!
92 posted on 08/21/2006 6:48:51 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: Bob J

Show me a silent woman and I'll be asking "when did she pass away"?


93 posted on 08/21/2006 6:49:07 PM PDT by fish hawk (Terror : in a cave in Afghanistan. Treason: in a cave-in , in the Democratic Party)
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To: MadLibDisease
Don't let facts get in way of your reasoning.

Well, first off these aren't facts. That aside, if some lounge lizard (your serpent) is snaking through the garden and he sees a good looking babe and a grouchy old dude who do you think he is going to nail, eh?

94 posted on 08/21/2006 6:49:24 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: Tamar1973
Adam wasn't deceived, he KNEW exactly what he was doing. That's the point. Eve didn't rebel, she was deceived. Adam rebelled.

OK, well, whatever.

95 posted on 08/21/2006 6:49:50 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: marajade
Again, I'm not a baptist. I read there are biblical reasons for divorce and adultry is one.

Can we agree then that in all other cases those who divorce and remarry are committing adultery against their former spouse?

96 posted on 08/21/2006 6:50:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

In the Bible I read, Mark 10:11 refers to Matt 5:32.


97 posted on 08/21/2006 6:50:50 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Bob J

The pastor's an idiot. Men and women should be able to preach God's word, and that is QUITE biblical. When it comes to matters of the spirit, God does not recognize sex/gender at all.

As a matter of fact, our church received quite a teaching on this very subject just last evening. The speaker's arguments, well supported and IN context by the Bible.....utterly destroyed any contentions to the contrary.


98 posted on 08/21/2006 6:51:09 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Bob J

Hi Bob, I was raised a Baptist, and my Church did not ordain women to preach. However, women were allowed to teach. It seems to me that in the scriptures there were women who did teach in the NT. Perhaps because of my background, I would feel uncomfortable with a woman pastor, I certainly have no problem with women teaching men or what ever.


99 posted on 08/21/2006 6:51:56 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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To: Bob J
What Say Ye FR? Should a woman be allowed to teach Scripture to men?

Man or woman, one must have my permission to teach me.

Anyone who automatically assumes they have something to teach me is a fool.

Ask first, teach after.

100 posted on 08/21/2006 6:52:22 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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