Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J
In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.
Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
This news was posted on FR here and here.
It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.
What is your opinion?
Could it be that the 'other issues' came up only after she went public?
Why didn't he just say that he and this ladies had problems instead of coming up with a misogynist (and apparently untrue) excuse to fire her.
Women are to keep silent in church. But if it's not in church and a man thinks a woman might know something about the scripture and he asks her, that would be fine.
The bottom line is that there are different denominations with different beliefs. Given that the constitution points out that Americans have a right to free exercise of religion, then those denominations that prevent women from teaching men should be allowed to do so. In their cases, women should not teach scripture to men.
They should leave for a different denomination.
Gen is parable. 1 Tim2 is Paul giving his thoughts on a matter. Both Adam and Eve wanted the knowledge and understanding of God without working at it as God had done.
"One partook being deceived and one partook NOT being deceived; knowledgeable about what he was doing -- NOT deceived but with full intent and deliberation."
The both took it with full intent and deliberation. They were both deceived. Note that Adam did not gain the knowledge and understanding of God.
I attended St. Joe's just outside of Pittsburgh. I remember my first grade teacher - Sr. Mary Evangeline. Now THAT woman meant business! lol! I was put over her knee once and got spanked. Man, you can't see ANYTHING when your head is covered by the sleeves of one of those black habits!
"If this topic is not worth even one post, WHY did you stop by and add your 2 cents?????"
Because it pleases me to do so. Thanks for asking.
Your argument isn't with me, it's with Him and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Return to Him so those gifts might be understood per His plan. A woman working as a pastor-teacher is attempting to perform good works at her own hand. Such works are good for nothingness. Only the good through faith in Christ as provided by Him is righteous.
No pastor-teacher operates out of selfish control. Only by sacrificing the old man and remaining obedient to Him is the gift of pastor-teacher exercised.
Administrative leadership is a gift some women might receive, but that is a discernible gift from that of pastor-teacher.
"I don't spend any time fretting over a Pauline restriction meant for the early Church.
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Indeed, and Paul himself wrote that much of what he said was not to be interpreted as the word of God, but as Paul's opinion.
That said, a lot of denominations out there today should rename themselves to include Paul's name rather than that of Jesus.
Paulist denominations tend to glorify Paul's writings over the Gospels themselves. It is something I have seen countless times in my church visits.
The NT also talks about women wearing head coverings. There is nothing about Sunday worship either. Last night as I was reading the Bible, I smiled to myself at some of the many references of the "hand of God" and being sheltered under his "feathers." If people are LITERAL, they think God has an actual hand or feathers. Hank Hanegraff exposed a lot of the lunatics who take the Bible literally. Not everything in the Bible is meant to be Literal. However, I fully believe in its inerrancy and truth. I'm not a legalistic whore about what's in there though; I had a plenty of experiences with those kind of people years ago. I'm in a good Bible-believing church right now that offers forgiveness for our sins. If you want to get hung up on this stuff, go right ahead, but see how many people you bring into the fold.
You just hafta get the last word, don't ya...And it's always a sarcastic one at that...
That's one of those distinctions most readily drawn in an age where there are both "estblished" and "missionary" churches. Are we in such an age? Should we ignore what we see?
For a variety of reasons we don't let you vote in our elections, and we chose not to pay obeisance to the appointed guy who holds title to your building.
Otherwise it's all the same thing, and Fur Shur the light and heat bill comes out of the local tithe.
What you refer to as "denominationalism" is mostly an ecclesiastical and not a theological question.
I'm pretty sure God is much more concerned with the theology.
Still, lest we lead these guys astray, "inspiration" is certainly this side of the Moslem's hard and fast belief about the Koran's perfection.
It has been my experience when exposed to women "pastors" that they don't teach the scripture to anyone. Women are go along to get along generally in their mentality, not suprisingly since cooperation and relationships tend to be genetically wired into their makeups.
Last one I had the misfortune of being exposed to would read the scripture by inserting He/She whenever the scripture said HE and Him/Her whenever the scripture said him, and boy/girl whenever the scripture said boy... Even in instances when doing so made absolutely no sense (IE the scripture reading was a first person account... A letter from Paul to someone.. The Scripture read, when "I was a boy" she literally would read this as "When I was a boy or girl"... Which of course makes no damnedable sense, as Paul was male and never was or will ever be a girl.
I suppose there may be a woman or two out there somewhere who can teach gospel and scripture, but the majority that are doing it that I have been exposed to, while kind hearted enough folk and having generally good intentions, are just not up the task IMHO. They are activists more than theologians.
The Bible only restricts women from office in the church if the sign outside says "Apostolic" ~ and I always avoid such places.
After numerous killings, those Jews began training girls to be rabbis. They maintain that custom to this day. Their source of authority is the Bible.
I personally know several people who belong to this particular Jewish group.
Ordinary worship with a local synagogue was normal.
You will notice, of course, that the Temple has been closed for some time.
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