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MODERN MANNERS (Offering a Woman a Seat Is 'Creepy,' According to GQ)
New York Post ^ | August 18, 2006 | Liz Smith

Posted on 08/18/2006 1:45:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway

'WOMEN ARE equals now. They can fend for themselves. To offer a perfectly healthy woman a seat simply because she is a woman, however well-intentioned, is creepy. At best, she'll think you're from another country; at worst she'll feel old, or overweight enough to be perceived as pregnant."

And that is a lesson in modern manners, according to the new issue of GQ (with Clive Owen on the cover). Glenn O'Brien and other GQ scribes weigh in on e-mails, cellphones, gym etiquette, dressing for travel, how to handle chatty seatmates, sleeping with your friend's ex, online dating, wedding gifts and how to treat gay people: "Gay people don't want to freshen up the world, they just want to be a part of it." (So don't ask for makeovers and fashion tips.)

Oh, but you certainly should open doors for women: "Why? To be nice, you mannerless ape!"

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: humblegunner
Most of us got smacked by our Texas Moms and Grandmoms and remember it well.

It ain't gallantry, it's fear.

And that's humility.

;-)

321 posted on 08/19/2006 7:26:42 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: stevie_d_64
We aim to please...

And we appreciate it!

322 posted on 08/19/2006 7:28:21 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: nickcarraway
I'll still offer my seat to a woman - I was raised to be a gentleman and I could give a damn if she feels insulted by my display of chivalry. If she's outraged enough to burn her bra, let her but I won't stop doing the right thing because the perception is that its politically incorrect.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

323 posted on 08/19/2006 7:30:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Eaker
Remember the last time we were at the top of a staircase and I pushed you down first before I came tumbling after?

Texas manners there!

Or coulda' been the beer.......

Eaker!!!

We promised each other we'd never tell!

If you had any Texas manners you'd have let me tell first!

:-P

324 posted on 08/19/2006 7:32:35 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: Allegra
Texan men excell at recongizing and respecting a woman's strength but also understanding that we admire chivalry and good manners.

Yep.

Okay, enough nice stuff.

Time to get back to teasing and annoying them without mercy.

;-)

325 posted on 08/19/2006 7:38:53 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: nickcarraway
For centuries, women were accorded special consideration, because of motherhood, childcare, and the need to maintain the fire in the cave....however, today, women have rejected motherhood, and child rearing, so IMHO, they forfeited their special considerations, and can open the door on their own
326 posted on 08/19/2006 7:40:39 AM PDT by thinking
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To: goldstategop

When walking on a sidewalk with a lady, is the man always to be closest to the street?


327 posted on 08/19/2006 7:57:46 AM PDT by dc27
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To: Peach

Isn't CQ a mag magazine?


328 posted on 08/19/2006 7:59:26 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: nickcarraway

GQ- the most important literary contribution in America...

only wussy men read that trash anyway...


329 posted on 08/19/2006 8:01:56 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: nickcarraway

GQ obviously is not circulated in the South.


330 posted on 08/19/2006 8:03:31 AM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: pax_et_bonum
Time to get back to teasing and annoying them without mercy.

Well, yes; that's our job.

After all, think how boring and meaningless their lives would be without us there to give them some good challenges.

(I love my job.)

;-)

331 posted on 08/19/2006 8:41:45 AM PDT by Allegra (RIP FReeper FLYER. You will be greatly missed.)
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To: dc27; Victoria Delsoul
When walking on a sidewalk with a lady, is the man always to be closest to the street?

That is the specific rule. The more encompassing one is that the gentleman always places himself between the lady and the greatest danger to her.

While strolling, the gentleman is on the lady's street-side prepared to remove her from hazardous oncoming traffic, shield her from being soiled by splashing, and intercept other approaching threats. Ideally, the couple would stroll on the left side of the street. When doing so the gentleman's weapons arm (presumed to be the right arm) is thus kept free.

Much of the social convention between man and woman is formalized protection of the woman. Doing so discreetly and graciously is a reaffirmation of men and women treasuring each other for what they are to each other and what they represent to civilization.

These actions and reciprocations are part of the distinguishing behavior of gentlemen and ladies. We all can perform them. The few requirements are a small effort and a large heart.

332 posted on 08/19/2006 9:02:02 AM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: California Patriot

GQ: It is playboy for men who "play for the other team..."


real men don't read GQ.


333 posted on 08/19/2006 9:52:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DakotaGator

Sometimes when a man performs them, though, he's screamed at by rabid feminists. My brother tried to hold the door for a woman in New York. What a mistake!


334 posted on 08/19/2006 10:50:51 AM PDT by Sockdologer
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To: longtermmemmory

Maybe, I couldn't say. I flip through it occasionally for two reasons. One, it's an indicator of where our culture is. Two, every second or third issue has some nice pix of beautiful ladies.


335 posted on 08/19/2006 10:58:31 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: BenLurkin

I KNOW that.I had a rich aunt who gave our family summer access to the elite.Nothing more vulgar in the ghetto than what you find there.They just don't take their dirt out in the streets like they do in the hood.


336 posted on 08/19/2006 11:05:08 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: HitmanLV

You've done well with them, and I rarely have, even in terms of getting friendly responses to friendly gestures. You're entitled to conclude that they're nice and I'm equally entitled to conclude that they're shallow (though not necessarily stupid). But I think we're both a little off. The test isn't how they treat you, or more accurately speaking, how they react to you, or to me. The test is how they treat people they don't react to.

David DeAngelo, a dating expert who has some very good advice along these lines, always says that attraction isn't a decision. These women you're so fond of didn't decide to be nice to you. They reacted favorably to you on a gut level because, in some way, shape or form, they found you sexually attractive. Good behavior resulted directly from this, and naturally you thought well of them because of it. This doesn't make you a helpful source on the psychology of beautiful women.

I salute your talents and I'm glad you've had a good time, but most of us don't have such assets, haven't had such a good time, and won't be convinced by your rose-colored view of babes.


337 posted on 08/19/2006 11:09:19 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: nickcarraway

I haven't trusted anything from GQ since Hemingway died. Reckon I'll go out just the way I growed up... an antiquated, dyed-in-the-wool Gentleman. Young ladies can take or leave it.


338 posted on 08/19/2006 11:17:00 AM PDT by Makehaven
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To: nickcarraway
To offer a perfectly healthy woman a seat simply because she is a woman, however well-intentioned, is creepy.

It will be taken that way by a certain class of women, and these are not in fact angry feminists most of the time. A fair number of women are so narcissistically enamored of themselves that they interpret every gesture, word, or action by a man as an attempt to hit on them. If they happen to to be angry that day (usually about something else) they will snap at the man holding the door or offering the seat, especially if he is one who doesn't fit their criteria for physical appearance in a man (Brad Pitt never has this problem...) Their anger is not about "You chauvinist pig, I can open my own doors!" it's about "You pervert, what makes you think you can hit on me!!!"

This is why such reactions occur ten times as often in Los Angeles as they do in Texas - they come more often from the narcissists than from the feminists. So GQ's advice is spot on - if you live in L.A or New York.

339 posted on 08/19/2006 11:35:11 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

You are correct, sir.


340 posted on 08/19/2006 11:43:56 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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