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What a Farce........(the French being the French)
NY Sun ^ | August 18, 2006 | SETH GITELL

Posted on 08/18/2006 6:07:36 AM PDT by IrishMike

In a classic case of the French being the French, reports indicate that President Chirac is balking at sending troops from his nation to be part of the international force to enforce the United Nations-orchestrated "peace" deal. This is the good news relating to this international force.

Recent history suggests that, at best, international forces under the United Nations flag are neutral and ineffectual and, in many, cases outright pernicious.

It was only 13 years ago, but nobody seems to remember the American tragic experience in Mogadishu, Somalia, which shows what can happen. That effort began with great optimism. The well-meaning international community hoped to bring peace between warring factions in Somalia and bring an end to the horrific famine taking the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians. There was a real villain here, warlord Mohammed Aidid. Subsequent historical evidence suggests that Aidid may have been aided by fighters loyal to Osama bin Laden.

The international force here was no help and may have even been in league with the enemy. Pakistani troops who composed a substantial portion of the international force assiduously avoided areas of danger. In 1993, America deployed its Delta Force and Ranger units in an operation designed to capture Aidid. According to a 1998 PBS Frontline documentary, "Ambush in Mogadishu," American efforts to capture Aidid were repeatedly thwarted by Italian allies, who were also operating in Somalia under the flag of the United Nations. "The Italians were not happy about the war the Americans were fighting against us," an Aidid militia commander told Frontline. "We had an understanding with some U.N. contingents that we would not attack them, and they would not attack us."

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1 posted on 08/18/2006 6:07:38 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike
In a classic case of the French being the French, reports indicate that President Chirac is balking at sending troops from his nation to be part of the international force to enforce the United Nations-orchestrated "peace" deal.


2 posted on 08/18/2006 6:10:54 AM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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IrishMike - the French know what they are doing - enjoying their wine and Gitannes while leaving it to others to provide security and pick up the tab.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 6:11:32 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: IrishMike

In a little over a week, the French have gone from leading the force in Lebanon to contributing 200 engineers. At least Napoleon had to take casualties before he retreated.


4 posted on 08/18/2006 6:11:33 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The western response should be proportional. That is, kill them before they kill us.)
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France's track record is not good. We need look no farther than to the words of 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, General Wesley Clark, for a sickening example. After years of watching European nations diplomaticize, discuss, and dither while thousands of innocents were slain in the Yugoslav civil war, America in 1999 became the driving force to protect ethnic Albanian Muslims in Kosovo. (Prior to this, when it came to protecting actual Islamic lives in their own backyard, the French were almost as ineffective as they were in saving Jewish lives during the Holocaust.) In his 2001 memoir "Waging Modern War," General Clark writes of his fear that some of his "allies" were providing information to the enemy. "Back in October, one of the French officers working at NATO headquarters had given key portions of the operations plan to the Serbs," he writes. Later in the war, the Europeans objected to Clark's desire to bring in Apache helicopters, use ground troops, and bomb a troublesome Serb airbase in Montenegro. "This was a matter of protecting our American and NATO forces," according to Clark. After Clark ultimately ordered air strikes, France protested.

Just yesterday, the United Nations made a stunning admission about its forces in Africa. Wire services reported that the United Nations Mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo is investigating new allegations of improper sexual contact between underage girls and its own forces." Although the majority of their patrons are Congolese soldiers and civilians, some of the girls involved mentioned that elements of MONUC contingents based in the region were also among their clients," a statement from the Mission said, according to Reuters. "MONUC takes these allegations very seriously and has expressed extreme shock at the testimonies of the victims of this illegal activity."

Yes, of course, the United Nations is shocked, shocked that soldiers under its flag would engage in illegal activity. And, the soldiers of Italy and France, and others serving under the U.N. flag, can be expected to bring great security to a Jewish state facing determined and committed enemies, such as Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran. What a farce. Judging by the track record of these international forces, the best thing for Israel might be if President Chirac follows his inner wishes and keeps French troops out of harm's way in Lebanon and the other nations follow his lead. With a record like this, who needs them around?


5 posted on 08/18/2006 6:13:47 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: .cnI redruM

International welfare for soldiers from 3rd world countries.


6 posted on 08/18/2006 6:15:30 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Egon

ROTFLMFAO!!!


8 posted on 08/18/2006 6:18:50 AM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: Egon

Love the flag.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 6:19:44 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: IrishMike
I heard on the radio yesterday that France is "going to lead the UN forces in Lebanon." However, they went on to point out that France has backed away from its leadership role and will reduced its "lead force" to 400 troops. Ah, yes...you can always count on the French...to back out.

On a more positive note, I also found out that France holds the Guinness Book of World Records in running backwards with your hands in the air while carrying a military backpack.
10 posted on 08/18/2006 6:20:53 AM PDT by econjack
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To: ClaireSolt
Leave no cretinous morlock behind!
11 posted on 08/18/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The western response should be proportional. That is, kill them before they kill us.)
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To: econjack

...France has backed away from its leadership role and will reduced its "lead force" to 400 troops. Ah, yes...you can always count on the French...to back out.
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Was it General Patton who said (something along the lines of ...)
I'D PREFER TO FACE FOUR GERMAN DIVISIONS THAN HAVE ONE FRENCH DIVISION BEHIND ME !!!


12 posted on 08/18/2006 6:24:41 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: IrishMike

Churchill said, "The French are a disgrace."

It's been a while but, some things never change!


13 posted on 08/18/2006 6:36:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: IrishMike

Syria and Iran probably threatened France that they would stop buying their military hardware if they took the lead in southern lebannon.


14 posted on 08/18/2006 6:38:13 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: IrishMike

With the exception of Bernard Hinault, all the tough Frenchmen moved to North America and became hockey players.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the French Army had tens of thousands of Bernard Hinaults in 1940, there wouldn't have been a single German foot on any piece of French territory during WWII.


15 posted on 08/18/2006 6:40:48 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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That's what a Fox reporter said yesterday. Word is going around that Assad told Chiraq that if they took the lead role and decided to go on the offensive (as if the French could be anything BUT offensive) that they'd be subject to terrorist attacks like one that took place at the same time as our marine barracks getting hit.

Natch Chiraq grovelled in surrender and instead of the 4000 troops,its now 400.

Pu**ies

16 posted on 08/18/2006 6:41:07 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com/MEMap.html)
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To: IrishMike
The majority of the U.N. never intended to field a force, and certainly not one that would be effective with a goal to do anything but party.

They pulled the wool over everyones eyes again as they make false agreements and promises that they will never keep, nor intended to keep.

It's a joke.....The U.N. is a total failure and a joke...albeit a expensive joke.

17 posted on 08/18/2006 6:42:27 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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Syria and Iran probably threatened France that they would stop buying their military hardware if they took the lead in southern lebannon.

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Ther is an earlier post, exactly that being the topic.


18 posted on 08/18/2006 6:43:11 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: SMARTY
"Churchill said, "The French are a disgrace."

- During WW11, Churchill, after many run in with the "Free French' under Charles DeGaul wrote in his papers, "I had many crosses to bear during the war, but the heaviest of all was the cross of Lorraine."
19 posted on 08/18/2006 6:43:46 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: IrishMike
Was it General Patton who said (something along the lines of ...) I'D PREFER TO FACE FOUR GERMAN DIVISIONS THAN HAVE ONE FRENCH DIVISION BEHIND ME !!!

I'm pretty sure you're right!

20 posted on 08/18/2006 6:46:00 AM PDT by econjack
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