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Confession in JonBenet case questioned (Picked her up at school?)
Yahoo ^ | 8/17/06

Posted on 08/17/2006 5:58:41 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside

Confession in JonBenet case questioned

By CATHERINE TSAI and JON SARCHE, Associated Press

Writers 38 minutes ago

BOULDER, Colo. - For a moment, it seemed the decade-old mystery surrounding the slaying of a child beauty queen had been solved. But authorities Thursday cautioned against rushing to judge the schoolteacher who made a stunning confession that he killed JonBenet Ramsey.

For now, the only public evidence against John Mark Karr are his own words. And questions have already been raised about the details of his story, including whether he drugged the 6-year-old girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time of the slaying.

Those questions led some to wonder whether Karr was the answer to the long-unsolved slaying or a disturbed wannabe trying to insert himself into a high-profile case.

"We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy, quoting the little girl's father. "Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

Paraded before a raucous crush of reporters in Bangkok, Thailand, the sullen Karr told how he loved JonBenet, was with her when she died but that her death was an accident. And while vague on the details — "it would take several hours" — he answered flatly when asked if he was innocent: "No."

"The bottom line is that they now have a confession and until and unless they can corroborate that confession with either physical evidence or strong circumstantial evidence, that's all they have," said Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning.

Added former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman: "I have to believe they have more than this kooky confession."

Karr told investigators he drugged and sexually assaulted the little girl before accidentally killing her in her Boulder home, according to a senior Thai police officer who was briefed about the interview with U.S. authorities.

Yet JonBenet's autopsy report found no evidence of drugs, saying her death was caused by strangulation after a beating that included a fractured skull. And while it describes vaginal injuries, it makes no conclusions about whether she was raped. Investigators later concluded there was no semen on JonBenet's body.

According to Thai police, Karr also said he picked JonBenet up at school and took her back to her home. But the slaying came during the holiday vacation season.

Karr's ex-wife told TV reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama during Christmas 1996, when JonBenet's battered body was found in the basement of her home. And authorities have not said whether Karr could have written the detailed ransom note found in the Ramsey home, with its demand for $118,000 (the bonus that had recently been awarded to the girl's father, John Ramsey).

Even the Colorado professor who swapped four years' worth of e-mails with Karr and brought him to the attention of prosecutors in May refused to characterize the suspect either as killer or kook.

"I don't know that he's guilty," said Michael Tracey, who teaches journalism at the University of Colorado. "Obviously, I went to the district attorney for a reason, but let him have his day in court and let JonBenet have her day in court and let's see how it plays out."

Karr himself added to the mystery, telling The Associated Press in Bangkok that JonBenet's death was "not what it seems to be."

Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."

Karr's background includes an arrest in Petaluma, Calif., in April 2001 on five misdemeanor counts of possession of child pornography, to which he pleaded not guilty. He had not been seen by authorities after violating the terms of his release, which included avoiding child pornography and places where children congregate, such as schools, beaches and parks

Any previous relationship between Karr and the Ramseys remained a mystery Thursday, though both have ties to suburban Atlanta. District Attorney Lacy refused to discuss the case during a brief news conference and suggested Karr's arrest may have been forced by concern over public safety and fears the suspect might flee.

"There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said.

Karr, 41, was arrested at a Bangkok apartment Wednesday, a day after he began teaching second grade at an international school, Lacy said.

Hours later, Thai authorities sat him before a crowded room of news crews. Karr stunned reporters by admitting: "I was with JonBenet when she died. Her death was an accident."

"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told the AP.

Thai police said Karr told them the slaying was only second-degree murder. One expert suggested his confession was geared to spare him a first-degree murder charge.

"He seemed convinced that what he said would make him guilty of a lesser crime," said Sharon L. Davies, a former prosecutor at the Ohio State University law school who has studied confessions. "It's hard to understand how that would be the case and how the physical evidence that has been at least reported about her killing would support his description of this as an accident."

Legal experts said DNA evidence will likely be key: DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear and authorities have never said whether it matches anyone in an FBI database. U.S. and Thai officials did not directly answer a question at a news conference about whether there was DNA evidence connecting Karr to the crime.

Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The results of that test were not immediately known. Karr will be given another DNA test when he returns to the United States in the next several days, the official said.

Karr will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told reporters in Bangkok.

Lin Wood, the Ramsey family's longtime attorney in Atlanta, said Karr went to great lengths to conceal his identity in e-mails to the university professor, going so far as to use a computer server in Canada.

Asked if authorities could tell whether Karr had firsthand knowledge of the murder or had just picked up information from news accounts, Wood said: "There is information about the murder that has never been publicly disclosed." He did not elaborate.

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, was quoted by San Francisco television station KGO saying she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.

Denver attorney Larry Pozner, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said there were "serious questions" about the case.

"I hope we have found the murderer of JonBenet, but I have not heard the evidence that compels that conclusion," he said.

Karr's description of the case as an accident also rang false to experts.

"It's hard to imagine a more intentional, deliberate murder than hitting a little girl in the head so hard that she had almost a foot-long fracture in her skull and then deliberately fashioning a garrotte to twist until it buries in her neck and slowly stops her breathing," said Silverman, the former Denver prosecutor. "This has always been a case of deliberate murder."


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: 15minutesoffame; boulder; johnmarkkarr; jonbenetramsey; ramsey
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To: mystery-ak
He said it was an accident. Why leave a ransom note if she's dead? He left it as "proof" that it was an accident.

He could have left the note, taken the body and buried it? Why didn't he? Because he was on foot and didn't know the area well enough and he had more or less put a time on this horror.

41 posted on 08/17/2006 7:22:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Mo1

Greta just said she thinks the DA has been had by this confession and she doesn't believe he murdered Jon Bonet.


42 posted on 08/17/2006 7:23:06 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Howlin
On vacation!

Thailand?

43 posted on 08/17/2006 7:23:37 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Thailand?)
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To: Mr. Brightside
But the slaying came during the holiday vacation season.

In fact it was the day after Christmas. Oh, I see, you can't say "Christmas" anymore.
44 posted on 08/17/2006 7:25:12 PM PDT by The people have spoken
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To: Shermy

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=0045e1db61e882a321a740471608fbb6&t=42078


45 posted on 08/17/2006 7:26:19 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: mystery-ak
Try this scenario:

Nutjob pedophile with gender identification issues (I think he was a cross dressing hooker), sick with AIDS, and about to be put in prison in a foreign country that isn't kind to child molesters, confesses to a killing he has been obsessed about for 10 years. He leaves the foreign country, arrives back to the safety of the United States, only to be found innocent of the charges. By the time he is found innocent, he's on his death bed, has a one-on-one interview with Mike Wallace and Oprah Winfrey, and the world is asked to understand the mind of the pedophile.

46 posted on 08/17/2006 7:26:46 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Sacajaweau

I've always thought, just my opinion, that the ransom note was written before the murder...that the killer was in the basement when the Ramsey's returned from the party.....he could have sat there for hours writing and waiting....then the kidnapping went wrong, somehow, and he murdered her......but I don't think this is the guy.


47 posted on 08/17/2006 7:27:15 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Peach

so Greta is officially not buying this?


48 posted on 08/17/2006 7:27:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Homer1

That "confusion" of facts will be portrayed as instability by some shrink in an "insanity" defense.


49 posted on 08/17/2006 7:28:11 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: rintense

...but he was not about to be put in prison in Thailand...another mis-reported story from last night...The Thai PD took him into custody yesterday on the US's behalf.....


50 posted on 08/17/2006 7:29:56 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Peach

I think Greta is right....


51 posted on 08/17/2006 7:31:05 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Howlin
Eat at "The Back Porch"..You won't regret it..

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52 posted on 08/17/2006 7:31:16 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Peach

I agree with Gretta


53 posted on 08/17/2006 7:32:17 PM PDT by Mo1 (Bolton- "No one has explained how you negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists")
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To: mystery-ak

exactly right - the note was written first - it was supposed to be a kidnapping, but it went bad.

on the flipside - if the killer was someone in the household, then the note was staged simply as a diversion to make people believe someone else was inside the house. how do you make a convincing false claim that a stranger was inside your house? you say "look, they left a note". what else can you do to stage that?


54 posted on 08/17/2006 7:33:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: mystery-ak
I think they have the right guy. They had a mouth swab taken overseas so they know already.

BUT, they have to have one taken here with their witnesses and experts and lab certifications.

That NOTE matches this guy in many. many ways.

55 posted on 08/17/2006 7:34:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

If the DNA matches, then they have the guy....I hope so for the Ramsey's sake.....


56 posted on 08/17/2006 7:35:54 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Sacajaweau

what about everything else then? entering the house, finding the paper and writing the notes, the strange ransom sum, how did he even know the family, etc. There are still alot of loose ends to fill in. remember, the DNA in question here - was found years after the original investigation, and its not blood or semen, its saliva-based.


57 posted on 08/17/2006 7:37:34 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I think we were both right last night...I hope I'm proven wrong.


58 posted on 08/17/2006 7:37:58 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: oceanview

....the DA also has to connect him somehow to Boulder if the DNA doesn't match......


59 posted on 08/17/2006 7:39:20 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Since the parents claim to not have known him, it is possible that he may have picked up the girl at school and gave her a ride home before the day of the murder, and told her not to tell anyone. Or maybe not, maybe this is all a con job.

Wow, just saw video of him, he is about the creepiest creep to ever creep creeps. Has really odd mannerisms, sorta of the passive slightly nervous poutiness that gay guys sometimes display. And does he need a bra? If this is a scam, I wonder if this is based in self-hate and disgust with himself and how his life has turned out. Perhaps some type of odd form of penance in his mind?


60 posted on 08/17/2006 7:41:14 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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