Posted on 08/16/2006 4:54:30 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
To counter the Nazis or not?
That's the question facing Madison as planning begins for a rally at the State Capitol next week when the National Socialist Movement says it will gather to protest illegal immigration.
The No Nazis in Madison Coalition says the community cannot afford to ignore the hate message of the neo-Nazis and is calling for a peaceful counterdemonstration on the Capitol concourse.
"We're looking for massive peaceful numbers," said organizer Chris Dols. "We want people to bring their children."
Peter Munoz, executive director of Centro Hispano, argued against that.
"Just let them show their pathetic selves and hopefully they will leave town as soon as possible," he said. "We certainly don't want to give these folks any limelight."
Steven Morrison, executive director of the Madison Jewish Community Council, concurred.
"That does exactly what the National Socialist Movement wants any community to do," Morrison said today. "We don't find that a productive strategy."
The Jewish council is calling on members of the community to ignore the Nazis and instead attend a community picnic at their Verona Goodman campus - or make a donation to immigrant or other human rights groups, at a few dollars a head for each neo-Nazi who shows up.
The National Socialist Movement - which is promoting the rally to pro-white groups and offers the Nazi chant "Sieg Heil" on the recorded greeting at its contact number - has obtained a permit from the state Department of Administration to rally at 2 p.m. Aug. 26 at the Capitol.
Accommodating the group will mean the weekly Farmers' Market will close early, at 12:30 p.m., under an agreement reached with participating vendors.
Capitol Police are still planning their strategy on the rally day, DOA spokesman Tom Solberg said today. But Madison police officials expect to be called on to assist.
While he professes he understands the strategy articulated by the Jewish community, Salvador Carranza, president of LUChA, Latinos United for Change and Advancement, says he will be out on Aug. 26, standing against hate.
"They are trying to use the immigration discussion as a recruiting tool, trying to convince people that they are like everybody else with concerns about the influx of Latinos, and that what they are doing has nothing to do with hate and racism," Carranza said.
Communities United, a coalition of human rights groups in Madison, split this week on the issue, but voted not to endorse a peaceful counterdemonstration.
Latino activist Alfonso Zepeda-Capistran said that counterdemonstrators must send the message that "we welcome the immigrant community you are attacking."
Dols said that hate messages of neo-Nazis are just a more overt sounding of the "English-only" type of scapegoating roiling among the country's right-wing elements.
It's important to make that connection and take a stand, he said.
"We need to tell people, you have more in common with the low-income Latino immigrant, illegal or not, than you do with George Bush," Dols said.
He said the No Nazis in Madison Coalition has drawn support from the International Socialist Organization, the Milwaukee-based Anti-Racist Action, the Green Party, the Madison Area Peace Coalition and ACORN.
ACORN, a grass-roots organizing group working in Madison's Allied Drive neighborhood, has added anti-Nazism to its roster of concerns.
Alice Howard, president of the local neighborhood association, said Allied residents will join in the rally against the Nazis.
"We know they are only coming here to start trouble and we don't need any more trouble. We want to march for peace and unity," Howard said.
"The organized Jewish community has had so much experience with this," Morrison said. "When we proposed alternatives, it was based on a long experience in lots of communities."
Gobbles (for all of the lies that he told) isn't lying. He is a socalist, just not the kind of socialist that we're used to hearing about.
A funny thing happens when you get a bunch of people together, laughing. It feeds off itself, creating its own emotional weather: a firestorm of hilarity. Everything becomes funny. It's great fun for those in on the joke, deeply humiliating to those who are the butt of it, and no real harm is done.
Practice singing "Der Führer's Face" beforehand; it's sure to be a crowd-pleaser.
Hitler, the Mufti of Jerusalem, and Islamic Fascism
I’ve read about the alliance between Adolf Hitler and Muslim Arab leaders in World War II, and seen still photographs, but this is the first time I’ve seen actual video of Hitler meeting with the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini—Yasser Arafat’s alleged uncle. From a German TV documentary, with English subtitles. (Hat tip: Justify This, who also created the Azzam Tamimi “shrieking jihad” video.) link: 142 comments
TOTALLY DEVASTATING.
Shows that modern Islamism and the Palestinian movement are the DIRECT descendent of Nazism. More connections here:
Found your post and link to vid at YouTube:
Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism
Lot's of Key Nazi's photoed with Husseini and his "Hanzar Nazi/Muslim troops"
If they had power today, those camps would be full of Latinos, Blacks, Chinese, Christians, Jews some others and FReepers.
Counter protest? Too nice, too gentle, IMHO.
"red shirt southern democrats after the civil war."
I have studied the Civil War and lived in the South for most of my life. I never heard this term. Is it something you made up during a brain cramp?
Leftists have generally been successful in silencing opposition speech in the western world. How quick are college administrations to silence conservatives vs letting the most radical libs speak?
How quick are the courts to deny Christians the right to their beliefs vs Muslims or others?
How quick are the collborationists to condemn Bush for calling Muslim facists what they really are?
Denial of free speech is in full swing in America.
Punk crowd....hey, you don't want to know what sort of crowd I was running with in those days, the bottom line is that everyone has the right to an opinion and not everyone necessarily has the obligation to agree. That's one of the features of a thing we call democracy. I do get your point if you say that you want to oppose these self-confessed, self-proclaimed "Nazis" with whatever means you can come up with, however, before you do such a thing, have a closer look at them. Quite a few of these people would not be able to explain to you what their ideology is made of, let alone the historical connotation.
A lot of left-wing groups that resort to organised militant violence to push their ideas to the forefront and proudly (or:arrogantly, provokingly) wear "their" red, five-pointed star, claiming to stand up for the rights of the oppressed lower classes of society, are just as guilty of historical denial, and would never, ever admit to the gruesome dictatorships and butchering of innocent people on a scale incomparable with any other, all in the name of, well, socialism....? By wearing that red star, they wear the Gulag, they wear the prisons, they wear the torture, they wear the hypocrisy, they wear the exploitation, the corruption, the lies, the whole shebang. The same goes for those that wear swastika's. Those signs are contaminated for the centuries to come.
You can run with punk crowds ot with whatever crowd you like, for as long as you like, as colourful as you like, but watch your step if you want to make a stand for what you think as an individual. By forceful rejection of your adversary's ideas, you just might give him a right and a reason to exist in the first place. Personally, I would not do that.
Save your breath for the real enemy and have a nice day!
"Good post, this issue is the most denied of our time."
Nah. The old guy never did open it. There was such a public outcry that he decided to stop drawing attention to himself. (Too late, old fool.)
However, I wouldn't doubt they're stopping by to pick him up and bring him to the rally. *Rolleyes*
Excellent Freeping, as always, Backhoe! :)
Horsecrap. This is the equivalent of yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre. They would let us have a frat party with beer at the courthouse so there really is no blacket right to assemble.
**wouldn't** let us
IMHO, a frat party does not quite compare with politics at the left- and right wing extremes of the spectrum. So I suggest you throw that party at home, and everyone is happy.
Also, the international socialists, or INAZI's, must be pretty mad.
They're all mad. All of them.
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