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Muslim Group Upset by Bush's Use of 'Islamic Fascists'
Cybercast News Service ^ | August 11, 2006 | Alison Espach

Posted on 08/11/2006 7:54:17 AM PDT by Sopater

A Muslim group criticized President Bush for saying that America is "at war with Islamic fascists" after U.K. authorities arrested 24 British citizens of Pakistani origin in an attempt to bomb numerous flights to the U.S. Thursday. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said the president's "hot button" terminology puts the name of Islam and the Muslim community at risk.

Bush called the attempted terrorist attack "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR, believes Bush should not even mention Islam when referring to the would-be terrorists.

"We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal," Awad said. "Muslims world wide know that for sure."

Middle East expert and Islamic history expert Daniel Pipes told Cybercast News Service that Awad's claim is a "debatable proposition."

"Islam is a political religion in a way that none other is," said Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum and author of "Militant Islam Reaches America." "There are many elements within the religion and the history of Islam that suggest there is a dynamic of conquest.

"There is something inherently expansionist about Islam," Pipes continued. "Jihad is expansionist warfare."

Pipes praised Bush specifically for his use of the phrase "Islamic fascists."

"For the president to articulate who the enemy is so clearly and unambiguously is a huge step forward," Pipes said. "You cannot diagnose and treat a disease without first identifying and naming it. So, a strategist cannot defeat an enemy without first identifying it and naming it."

Muslims should not be disturbed by the term "Islamic fascists," Pipes argued, because Bush is "identifying not Islam the religion, but a radical form of Islam."

"Those groups that are protesting tend to support that form of Islam," Pipes contended. He believes most Muslims have no problem with the phrase because they understand it to refer to an extreme form of Islam separate from their beliefs.

In addition to limiting the president's comments, CAIR wants the U.S. media to disassociate Islam with terrorists "to make sure we don't start a religious war against Islam and Muslims." The group says American reporters should adopt the policies of the British media when identifying suspected terrorists.

Most British media will not identify terrorists as "Muslim," "Islamic" or "Islamists" even when physical evidence shows they were motivated by beliefs based on Islamic teachings or writings.

Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the CAIR board, also anticipates a negative backlash against the Muslim community.

"We also urge local law enforcement agencies to coordinate with Muslim leaders to deter hate crimes," Ahmed said. "It is also important that our fellow Americans understand that Muslims are law-abiding citizens who should not be targeted or singled out because of their faith or national origin."

All original CNSNews.com material, copyright 1998-2006 Cybercast News Service.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cair; crushcair; crushislam; fascism; islam; islamicfascists; islamicnazis; islamisevil; islamofascism; islamonaziism; muslim; muslims; rop; terror; thetruthreallyhurts; trop
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To: jpl

Good point too. But closing them down would stir up a hornets nest, and I'd like to see that.


21 posted on 08/11/2006 8:14:15 AM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are as confused as a hungry baby in a topless bar.)
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To: Sopater
"We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal," Awad said. "Muslims world wide know that for sure."

Well..he's allowed to lie. His worship book says so.

22 posted on 08/11/2006 8:14:24 AM PDT by Fawn (BUILD A LONG TALL WALL)
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To: Sopater

Regarding the title; when are muslim groups NOT upset? This story is along the lines of "the sun came up in the east".


23 posted on 08/11/2006 8:15:02 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: jiggyboy
"It is important, based on past counterterrorism cases that did not lead to terror convictions, that we withhold judgment until all the facts of this case come to light. We also ask public officials and commentators to avoid using stereotypical and ill-defined terminology when referring to this and similar cases.

what condemnation....? I don't see one here in their statement and they were already worried about 'terminology.' Typical islamofascist double speak....DON'T FALL FOR IT.

24 posted on 08/11/2006 8:15:17 AM PDT by EBH (Islam: A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.)
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To: Sopater
Just goes to show you can't please all the people all the time. That particular phase was the one I liked the best. And on the other hand I get upset every time I hear "religion of peace". And ROP is far ahead of IF so I deserve a lot more speeches with IF in them. Just to be fair.
25 posted on 08/11/2006 8:15:21 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: nhoward14

I stopped reading when I saw the acronym CAIR. Have they even condemned 9/11 yet?


26 posted on 08/11/2006 8:15:33 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Sopater

27 posted on 08/11/2006 8:16:00 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Sopater

Yeah, Bush should never have use the phrase 'Islamic Fascists'.

He screwed up.

The correct term is ISLAMOFASCISTS!

I prefer the term ISLAMONAZIS, but that's a personal preference.

Or here's one to ponder: ISLAMOGENECIDALISTS!


28 posted on 08/11/2006 8:16:16 AM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Sopater
Wah! Wah! Wah! Image and video hosting by TinyPic
29 posted on 08/11/2006 8:17:43 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: Sopater

The most important point here isn't what CAIR or anyone else says about this Presidential comment, it's the simple fact that GW actually used the term "Islamic Fascist". It needs to become the term of choice at all levels of government when referring to the "war on terror" as it more precisely defines the conflict. It's time to rein in PC and speak the truth openly.


30 posted on 08/11/2006 8:21:23 AM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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To: Sopater

Like Zu Zu's petals, as usual their feelings are easily hurt.

We're offended by the thought of people falling 80 stories, or 30,000 feet, with their clothes on fire.


31 posted on 08/11/2006 8:25:32 AM PDT by tumblindice ("Jobs Americans won't do" English translation: "They won't let us treat them like peons . . .")
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To: Sopater


They'd rather Muslim enemies be called "Angry Youths"....


32 posted on 08/11/2006 8:26:03 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: brownsfan
Good! That is what is needed. islam is at war with us. The muslims are conducting a holy war against the West. Whether we choose to participate or not will determine whether we survive or not.

I could not agree more. This is the next phase of the war that has been going on for 1400 years.
33 posted on 08/11/2006 8:26:56 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: Sopater

"We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal," Awad said. "Muslims world wide know that for sure."

Another lie for the dhimmis...

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”

Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”

Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Qur’an:7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”

Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, ‘Allahu-Akbar!’ [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.’ Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their children and woman were taken as captives.”

Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”


34 posted on 08/11/2006 8:26:59 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Sopater
"We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal," Awad said. "Muslims world wide know that for sure."

Outright lie. Even a cursory reading of the Koran shows this isn't true. Killing of infidels is specifically encouraged, as is lying to them.
35 posted on 08/11/2006 8:27:02 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Sopater
We demand an apology!


36 posted on 08/11/2006 8:27:16 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Sopater
These atrocities are committed in the name of Muslims worldwide, in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah. We've all heard their cry of victory . We're not identifying them as Islamic fascists - they are identifying themselves.
37 posted on 08/11/2006 8:29:28 AM PDT by ArmyTeach
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To: Sopater
Dear Muslim Group upset by Bush's use of "Islamic Fascists:"

I have spelled out "I'm sorry" in Arabic using zits on my butt. Please feel free to read it.

38 posted on 08/11/2006 8:30:47 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Sopater

As I wrote earlier today, I think Islamicoms, or Islamicommies, is a better term.

Islamic fanatics and Communists have too much in common for the word "fascist" to be more appropriate.


39 posted on 08/11/2006 8:31:05 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Sopater
Would they be happier if he called them smelly camel jockeys?
40 posted on 08/11/2006 8:31:16 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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