Pro-life advocates are decrying a grisly new outrage

Salem Radio Network News ^ | 08/09/06 | Michael Harrington

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Transcription from radio/internet broadcast:

Pro-life advocates are decrying a grisly new outrage in Europe: Face lifts and cosmetic surgery using tissue from aborted babies are being offered at clinics in places such as Moscow and Rotterdam, and women from around the globe are flocking. In many cases women in third world nations are being paid up to $200.00 US to carry babies up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, when the unborn children are aborted and sold to the cosmetic clinics. An increasing number of these facilities are now springing up in popular vacation spots including Barbados and the Dominican Republic where regulation is spotty at best. Michael Harrington, SRN News.

[Deo volente]

There must be a special place in hell for those that engage in any way in this abomination.

This evil is way over the top, even by hell's standards.

[DaveTesla]

"false "propaganda"

Do your Home Work!

Why are you posting this all over these threads when the story is true.

You quote the Lord but are try to convince others that
this abomination is not happening.
That makes you complacent.

Here you can call and make an appointment for your self:

http://www.medra.com/index.htm
For the Phone number:
http://www.medra.com/about-medra.htm



http://www.medra.com/about-diseases.htm
From their web site:

Another successful use of Fetal Stem Cells is in the field of anti-aging (rejuvenation/longevity).

I Have about 4 more if you like.

[brwnsuga]

My their faces rot from their bodies.

[DaveTesla]

http://www.medra.com/index.htm
For the Phone number:
http://www.medra.com/about-medra.htm



http://www.medra.com/about-diseases.htm
From their web site:

Another successful use of Fetal Stem Cells is in the field of anti-aging (rejuvenation/longevity).
Destination: Dominican Republic

Medra Clinic

The treatment: Foetal stem-cell injections from £15,000.
Malibu psychiatrist William Rader, 67, previously owned a
string of private clinics in LA dedicated to treating
eating disorders. He recently founded Medra to offer stem-
cell treatments to wealthy clients who wanted to combine a
holiday on the exotic La Romana beach resort in the
Dominican Republic with their stem-cell therapy.

He has arranged for hundreds of patients to be injected
with cells taken from six to 12-week-old aborted foetuses
since the clinic opened its doors. Initial consultations
are done at Rader's LA surgery at Malibu beach.
Arrangements are then made for patients to fly out to the
luxury resort in the Dominican Republic to have the
treatment administered. The promise: According to Medra's
website, the foetal stem cell 'detects and then attempts
to repair any damage or deficit discovered in the body, as
well as releasing growth factors, which stimulate the
body's own repair mechanisms.

'Stem-cell therapy is the future. It's just unfortunate
that there is so much opposition to it in the West,' Rader says.

The reality: Debra Huff-Rader, director of physician and
patient relations, is deliberately vague when I ask where
the foetuses are sourced, saying only that they are from
the former Soviet republic of Georgia. But she invites me
to speak with Rader himself.

'Because Rader is acting outside America, his work falls
outside U.S. regulations on stem-cell therapy,' says Dr
Minger. 'Patients risk at best wasting a lot of money on a
treatment that is not proven in clinical trials and at
worst one that is putting their health at serious risk.'

[pageonetoo]

Do your Home Work!?

The story is more about you, my friend! You tell me I am complacent, when I am telling you that a sinner is going to sin. Your bemoaning sin is nothing new. Jesus shed His Blood for the foregiveness of our sins. It is irrelevant what story you are using today, to highlight your "concern".

That's the problem with all this heat and smoke. It draws attention to them, but doesn't do anything about the source, sinful, arrogant, ultimately selfish HUMAN BEINGS.

Of course they are wrong, but they see no difference with the scales of sin covering their eyes. You decry one action, then don't follow them to the bar, and then the motel for a quickie. Their lifestyle may be that sordid, or they may actually be well-meaning thoughtful SINNERS!

Maybe I am pissing in the wind, and Christianity is really about protest and complaint! Please don't tell me we all have different talents, when our primary mission is to Glorify Jesus!

[DaveTesla]

Come on TELL me the story is a fraud....

Tell me it is propaganda.....

Ill be waiting.

[webheart]

Sounds like BS to me. You can't just inject tissue into someones body. An immune response would develop, and the tissue would be rejected, unless by a remarkable coincidence the tissue was a match. Perhaps they are matching the tissues, and that is why it costs so much. But it would be much easier to inject a small quantity of raw hamburger, and claim that it was stem cells, the results would be the same. The immune system of the recipient would not allow stem cells or any other foreign cells to survive the trip from the injection site to the wrinkled skin.

Also, the statement that the tissues fetuses are "cryogenically frozen" sounds a lot like the e-mail that claims Microsoft or AOL will pay you 1000 dollars if you forward this e-mail to enough people, and the writer says he knows what he is talking about because he is a lawyer. It's just BS. Why not just freeze it, instead of cryogenically freezing it? Because cryogenic freezing sounds so much better when you are trying to appear credible.

I don't doubt that there are women who would go to get this sort of purported treatment, vanity knows no bounds, really. And it is possible that fetal tissue is being marketed this way. But it just doesn't add up scientifically to be a believable story. The treatment would be innefective, just like wrinkle cream.

[DaveTesla]

Care to make an appointment???


http://www.medra.com/index.htm
For the Phone number:
http://www.medra.com/about-medra.htm



http://www.medra.com/about-diseases.htm
From their web site:

Another successful use of Fetal Stem Cells is in the field of anti-aging (rejuvenation/longevity).
Destination: Dominican Republic

Medra Clinic

The treatment: Foetal stem-cell injections from £15,000.
Malibu psychiatrist William Rader, 67, previously owned a
string of private clinics in LA dedicated to treating
eating disorders. He recently founded Medra to offer stem-
cell treatments to wealthy clients who wanted to combine a
holiday on the exotic La Romana beach resort in the
Dominican Republic with their stem-cell therapy.

He has arranged for hundreds of patients to be injected
with cells taken from six to 12-week-old aborted foetuses
since the clinic opened its doors. Initial consultations
are done at Rader's LA surgery at Malibu beach.
Arrangements are then made for patients to fly out to the
luxury resort in the Dominican Republic to have the
treatment administered. The promise: According to Medra's
website, the foetal stem cell 'detects and then attempts
to repair any damage or deficit discovered in the body, as
well as releasing growth factors, which stimulate the
body's own repair mechanisms.

'Stem-cell therapy is the future. It's just unfortunate
that there is so much opposition to it in the West,' Rader says.

The reality: Debra Huff-Rader, director of physician and
patient relations, is deliberately vague when I ask where
the foetuses are sourced, saying only that they are from
the former Soviet republic of Georgia. But she invites me
to speak with Rader himself.

'Because Rader is acting outside America, his work falls
outside U.S. regulations on stem-cell therapy,' says Dr
Minger. 'Patients risk at best wasting a lot of money on a
treatment that is not proven in clinical trials and at
worst one that is putting their health at serious risk.'

[Marysecretary]

God must be fed up by now. Get ready for a bumpy ride. I think He's getting ready to do something big...

[DesignerChick]

Yes me too.....I'm alittle sceptical, what possible proceedure could be used with fetal corpses, be marketed as a 'beauty treatment'.....and work.

[pageonetoo]

Come on TELL me the story is a fraud....

Whatever your real name is: KMA

Don't come on with your high-and-mighty indignation. Your bleeding heart will not save a single one of the children. Your prayers with legs may save a single soul. What are you waiting for, Jesus to tell you? How about Paul? Would you prefer a burning bush.

God spoke to Abraham, and told him to sacrifice his son. Abraham had the knife raised. Would Abraham have been a murderer, if if God had not stayed his hand and provided the lamb? Would God be a murderer?

What I am saying is simple. Sin is sin. Murder is sin. Lying is sin. Stealing is sin. ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF GOD'S WILL IS SIN.

You will not change a mind, until the heart is fed first!

[DaveTesla]

Let me tell you about Molech, Hades,Ball,Gehenna,and HELL.

The abomination of all abominations.

The Fall of Israel:
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the
valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their
daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I
commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that
they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel,
concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be
delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the
sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence

Now, tell me the story is propaganda.

[pageonetoo]

Would you like me to type S-L-O-W-E-R so you can U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D what I said?

You can spout all that typeface you wish, but it will do nothing to bring someone to know God as Savior, much less stop a single abortion! Get over yourself! You are making a mockery of the Gospel... God can take care of the Judgment without your help!

[DaveTesla]

You still haven't sown me where this article is propaganda.

Show me where it is a lie.

Luke 17
One day Jesus said to his disciples, “There will always be temptations to sin, but how terrible it will be for the person who does the tempting. It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck than to face the punishment in store for harming one of these little ones.

[webheart]

Ok, I went to the website, and it looks like they actually are convincing people that they know what they are doing. In reading the scientific basis, it seems that they have anticipated the rejection argument and say that fetal stem cells cannot be rejected. I don't believe this for a second. For one thing, a fetus is usually genetically dissimilar from it's mother, and is not rejected. Why? Because it is surrounded by a placenta, not because its tissues are undifferentiated.

I do not believe the argument, and there really is only one way to disprove it, and that is by getting fetal stem cells and injecting them into a person. From the responses I see here on this thread, nobody is willing to disprove this premise. That does not make it fact.

And another thing, they make it sound like these stem cells are little nano robots that go looking for things to repair. I would like to call your attention to the disease known as Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. To try to sum it up, fetal cells, as they divide from 1 to 2 to 4 to 8 to 16 and so on, move to specific locations where they differentiate and become more specific types of tissues. With FAS, certain brain cells fail to stop at the destination location and continue migrating, causing severe congenital brain problems. Google some CAT scans of FAS brains and you will see what I mean.

Not to mention the possibility that the stem cell might actually survive and take hold somewhere, what kind of cell is it going to become? Is it just going to take on the characteristics of surrounding cells, even though they are not even as closely related as a brother or sister? Come on! More than likely, it would become a cancerous cell, just like most human cancers are caused by cells who are meant to divide but don't know when to quit. I personally wouldn't want any organ tissues like liver or pancreas or epithelium injected into my body.

Finally, one consequence of being outside of the US is that the clinics cannot be punished for using fetal tissue illegally, but I doubt if there are very many laws against it in the US anyway. I mean, most legislation about stem cell research deals with government funding more than actual permission. I think the advantage of being outside of the US for these cretins is that they cannot be prosecuted for fraud, for claiming to inject fetal tissue into people. All they would need is a soup of steroids and Human Growth Hormone to make it look like something was happening.

Anyway, check your BS meter. It may need calibration.

[pageonetoo]

For what purpose did you post your thread?

prop·a·gan·da n.

1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.

3. Propaganda Roman Catholic Church. A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.

[Short for New Latin Sacra Congregātiō dē Prōpagandā Fidē

[steveo]

I call bs on this one. The thought is repugnant, but I don't think it's real.

[DaveTesla]

How it BS if there paying Russian women to carry
and abort fetuses and using them for beauty treatments?

I have investigated this years ago and there are many other clinics doing this.
It is not about if it works or not it is the fact that they are doing it.

[pageonetoo]

You are probably a good person, but you are way over the top with your line of ATTACK. You will only confirm to others, that you are whacked out, or overly zealous. Heat and smoke do not always mean fire. Sometimes it is the pie in the oven!

The is another old saying, "you attract more flies with honey". Jesus never told his disciples to go and throw tantrums. He told them to go and tell the world about Him. He made us Christians joint heirs with Him, and gave us keys to the front gates and all they contain behind them. It's like having a corvette, and the gas to go in it.

But, you want to linger in the garage, rather than go spread the news about how others can get their corvettes, too. God's got plenty, I'm sure!

He's also got a pretty fair idea about Judgment. He reserved that for Himself!

[DaveTesla]

"For what purpose did you post your thread?"
You really don't understand do you?

A righteous man would have his very soul tormented by these ongoings.


So is the article true or false?"

Go look up the valley of Hinnom.
Who is Molech the star god of Saturn that Stephen
speaks of in the book of Acts?

You think all sin is equal?