Posted on 08/08/2006 8:28:41 PM PDT by psychopuppy
Breaking News Lieberman Concedes Senate Race, Will Run as Independent Just a headline right now....
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was this contest a referendum on the Iraq war? i didn't know there were any refereda on the Iraq war.
Because for them it was always a political calculation.
That Joe Lieberman is willing to stand up and give them the finger is great,
Except that's not what happened. Who did Lieberman support for president in 04? John Kerry. He didn't give anyone the finger until he was already kicked to the curb. That's not "standing up." It's being a sore loser, which is par for the course for Joe.
Glad to see Rat money going to fight each other, rather than us. Joe's doing us a big favor here, whether he knows it or not.
Yeah, it's fine for them to fight each other. But I can't even listen to what Hannity or, hell, a lot of ppl here are saying about it. It's like they've lost touch with reality. The Rats remain out of power because they can't be trusted to take America's side in a war. Enough people understand that, and that means as bad as the GOP can be, the DEMs remain an unacceptable alternative. Except of course in liberal blue hell holes like CT.
There will always be liberal blue hell holes, I'm just glad they've been marginalized by the Electoral College, so that we can chase all the moonbats off to CA or NY, or places like that, so that responsible adults can elect the President, and most of the Congress.
I think the more important thing to look at, is whether 2006 will be completly about the war, as some are shaping it up to be - Lieberman's opponent was pretty much a single-issue candidate, and if he was able to make this primary all about one issue, then it bodes ill for the elections come November.
"So in typical moderate Republican fashion, and so as to not antagonize our Democrat friends down at the country club, we should concede this seat to the Democrates just to prove what good sports we are?"
When you run a guy with massive gambling debts and honesty problems, you've ALREADY conceded the seat. The question then is who is going to get the seat, an anti-war kookburger, or a solid pro-war "Independent". The Independent is a better choice. The particular Republican in this race is a non-starter.
Agreed.
"A rat politician, by its nature, cannot possess integrity and honor. I wonder if the MSM is going to herald this as an courageous act of heroism and selfless devotion to the service of America."
Joe Lieberman is not a rat.
He is a man of integrity.
He could have won the primary HANDILY if he would have backed away from the war.
He won't.
He won't because he sees that it has got to be fought.
He doesn't have a Democratic puppetmaster - they threw him under the train last night.
And he isn't as interested in his political career as he is his beliefs, at least on certain issues.
We are at war.
THE issue is the war.
Lieberman is right on the war.
He was beaten as a Democrat by an anti-war kookburger.
The Republican is mired in gambling debt and has horrible integrity issues.
So, that means that either Joe Lieberman runs as an independent, and wins, or an anti-war kookburger takes his Senate seat.
Lieberman is doing the right thing.
And in the process he is cutting off all possible future political patronage and follow-on jobs with his former party.
This is not the act of a political whore.
It's the act of a stubborn man.
Joe is right on the War, and given the lack of a respectable Republican option, he has to be the choice of any sensible voter in Connecticut.
"If things turn around in Baghdad, Joe could still win."
No matter what happens in Baghdad, Joe will win.
"You're not even in Connecticutt [sic]. It's up to them, and clearly, they don't want Joe."
You're not either.
"Clearly"?
It's clear that the people of CONNECTICUT don't want Lieberman because 20,000 more DEMOCRATS, in a closed primary in which only about a tenth of the electorate voted, wanted the anti-war kookburger over Lieberman?
No.
Given the choices, the people of Connecticut want Lieberman.
The Quinnipiac polls show him winning the general election, and the general election result will show it.
Lieberman will win with a broad base of Democrat, Republican and Independent voters. Lamont will get the anti-war nutjob Democrat fringe. Schlesinger will get the yellow-dog Republicans but nobody else. Lieberman will get the rest, and he'll win by a majority, not a plurality.
The people of Connecticut want Lieberman.
The nutjobs of the looney Left don't.
It would be irresponsible for Lieberman to drop out now, and just let the looney Left win.
This will be a good opportunity for everyone to see the lock the two parties have on our current system. Joe, win-lose-or-draw, is going to be discouraged at every turn by the laws, by the fundraisers, and by those in his own party. He'll be used by the opposition and smeared by his opponents. He'll have two or three (dozen??) political knives in his back before this is all over. I wish we had longer memories so we could learn, reflect, and remember the lessons before us. Good luck Joe.
"Lieberman will be elected as an independent.
He will then stay in the Senate as a member of the Democrat Caucus."
Don't be so sure of this.
The Democrats are going to slime him this election.
He will be elected by Republicans and Independents.
He's already independent enough to go against the party line - that's why he lost last night and will be elected as an independent.
Don't be so sure that with a stubborn man like Lieberman it's all a ruse to get back to the Senate and into the cozy Democratic caucus. He is about to watch his "friends" stick knives in his back, in public. And he is going to find out he has a lot of friends in the Independent electorate and among Republicans.
He may vote for the Democrats on some things, but I wouldn't expect an Independent Joe Lieberman, beholden to no one, to be a cooperative party man any longer. He's at his most uncomfortable when he's bending to political realities. If he is elected, without party affiliation, in his own right, he is far more likely to be a principled pain-in-the-ass to both parties, and far less likely to try to morph back into being a cozy Democrat.
If he were just a normal politician, he wouldn't have lost last night. He has a lot of spine. I disagree with him fundamentally on some pretty profound things. But he is no pushover, and I doubt he'll be a reliable vote for the Democrats once he is in office as an Independent. He'll be a reliable vote for what Joe Lieberman believes in.
And that's a damned sight better than what the Democrats believe in.
An Independent Joe Lieberman will be a much improved Joe Lieberman.
As dumb as Lamont is, I think 2 good things come out of this:
1. It's possible to oust an inside-the-Beltway entrenched politico. Take note, those who would run on Beltway-scorned issues as the border and reduced spending.
2. It's possible to go independent and be taken seriously. If the homogenous Republicrats refuse to listen to the people on key issues, run outside the box.
3. Lieberman running independent could split Dim votes, giving Republicans a safe Dim seat.
I can't help it, I'm just an optimist.
We'll see.
If you have a link to that poll, I'd like to see it.
No one would have bought that for an instant.
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