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Reuters Doctoring Photos from Beirut? [photo inside]
Little Green Footballs ^ | 8-5-2006

Posted on 08/05/2006 3:52:31 PM PDT by Hadean

OK, now things are getting weird.

This Reuters photograph shows blatant evidence of manipulation. Notice the repeating patterns in the smoke; this is almost certainly caused by using the Photoshop “clone” tool to add more smoke to the image. (Hat tip: Mike.)

It’s so incredibly obvious, it reminds me of the faked CBS memos. Smoke simply does not contain repeating symmetrical patterns like this, and you can see the repetition in both plumes of smoke. There’s really no question about it.

Smoke billows from burning buildings destroyed during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut’s suburbs August 5, 2006. Many buildings were flattened during the attack. REUTERS/Adnan Hajj


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; adnanhajj; alreuters; beirut; enemedia; fakeisnotaccurate; fakephotos; fauxtography; lgf; nuketheleft; pajamahadeen; photoshopfordummies; reuters
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To: GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos
Just pointing out the total idiocy of your point. Many UFO pictures have been disproven without the original.

Heres a tip, I wouldnt call someone elses comments "idiotic" when you yourself bring up examples of UFO's to try to prove your point

201 posted on 08/05/2006 6:35:12 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: KneelBeforeZod
You don't work for Reuters, do you?  !
202 posted on 08/05/2006 6:35:24 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Fresh Wind
"The thing is, there's no reason for faking more smoke or weird smoke. Except exaggeration."

"Another possible reason would be to cover up something that the photographer doesn't want you to see."

Sure there's a reason -- propaganda. By making the smoke look 20x bigger they're giving viewers the impression of a city that is being pounded wholesale, with widespread destruction and (by implication) lots of civilian deaths (rather than the TRUTH, which would be of a specific building hit for very good reasons). Reuters is trying to shape public opinion against Israel with this pic.
203 posted on 08/05/2006 6:37:56 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Windcatcher
Reuters is trying to shape public opinion against Israel with this pic.

Bears repeating. Especially when Reuters tries to explain this as otherwise.

204 posted on 08/05/2006 6:40:29 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: photodawg
No reputable photo journalist would consider a manipulated image passed off as an original a good image.

your overreacting....not all journalists are reputable. Just like not all doctors, politicans, businessmen, etc...

205 posted on 08/05/2006 6:41:21 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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206 posted on 08/05/2006 6:41:25 PM PDT by backinthefold (David, a teenage Jew, beat Goliath, a 9 foot tall palestine, with a rock and faith in God)
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To: Sam Hill

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t36d2f41a2297.htm
"Everyday I wake up, look at the "lamestream" media and say to myself "What new lie are they going to tell me today?!" We had a classic media smear in the "Teletubbies vs. Jerry Fawell" fable of last week. Here's the real story.

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There were probably earlier uses, lots of the old posts are gone now.


207 posted on 08/05/2006 6:41:43 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: TruthWillWin

Are they (Reuters) also guilty of the same logic used by Dan Rather? It's OK if it's not real, it's "fake but accurate."

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all news`agencies know the difference between a photo of a real event, and a photo illustration. Its as basic as the difference between a news article and an editorial.


208 posted on 08/05/2006 6:41:52 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Straight Vermonter
Reuters photo guidelines:
Cropping and re-sizing
You can do both, although the adjustments you make should not change the intended meaning of the picture.

For instance, if the photo is an important news picture, cropping may remove a vital piece of information, diminishing the importance of the event and, by extension, the picture.

However, if the image is more illustrative, let’s say a figure walking across an empty field, to crop probably won’t make any difference to the meaning of the image, with the exception of size or shape.

Flipping and altering levels
Illustrative images with no distinguishing features or landmarks can usually be flipped without too much concern. If, however, the image features a well-known personality or landmark, flipping the image may distort or destroy what is truthful about the subject. A left-handed subject may suddenly become right-handed, compromising Reuters claim to providing accurate information. As an example, see the Andre Agassi photo in the Detailed guidelines below.

Alter levels with some caution, attempting to maintain the integrity and authenticity about the picture.

New material
Reuters has recently acquired the UK-based sports agency, Action Images, which gives us immediate access to significantly more photography than ever before (approximately, 1.5 million online). At this early stage, how much of the new material can be used for marketing and advertising purposes is still being determined. Check back here for new information and guidelines.

Rights restrictions
Although we may own the copyright of an image, it can often be subject to underlying rights issues. We can try to clear them, and often do. However, this can be a long, expensive and not always successful process. So it is best to consider the subject of rights when selecting images from our archive for marketing, advertising and promotion.

* Don’t flip the image to change the integrity of the shot, as in this photo, where the right-handed tennis player has now become a left-handed player, and Reuters image and brand integrity could come into question. Also note: be careful where you place the 3D dot property, so it doesn’t get caught up with the logo.

Note: Never manipulate an image in such a way that it changes its meaning or compromises our brand essence.

Detailed guidelines
* The Reuters photographer’s name must be credited, in our Avenir typeface, to add authenticity to the image, and gain attribution for Reuters. Example: Reuters/Photographer Name.
* In ads, a legal disclaimer must accompany pictures. Refer to the Print advertising page for details.
* Don’t flip the image to change the integrity of the shot, as in this photo, where the right-handed tennis player has now become a left-handed player.
* Do not use low GIF/JPEG compression settings that alter the quality of the image or create visual artifacts.
* Don’t place the Reuters logo on busy photographic backgrounds. Avoid placing the brand property across a person’s face or otherwise obscures or alters the subject of the photograph.
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209 posted on 08/05/2006 6:42:55 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Albertafriend

It was only 28 dead.

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exactly my point. There was only one little cloud of smoke also.


210 posted on 08/05/2006 6:44:52 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Hadean

More "fake but accurate" photo-journalism

To go with :



MEDIA CAUGHT OVER QANA PHOTOS [Liberal MSM Caught With Pants Down Alert]


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676313/posts

Boortz:

Without getting too technical, it was noticed that one of the photos taken at 7:21 by the AP shows a dead girl in an ambulance. Then, in a picture taken at 10:25am ... 3 hours later .... it shows the same girl being loaded into an ambulance. Yet another picture shows the same girl 20 minutes later, being carried by a rescue worker ... with no ambulance around.

In the ambulance ... out of the ambulance ... no ambulance at all. What does this tell us? The photos were staged. They're propaganda. Who would do such a thing? Hezbollah, of course.


211 posted on 08/05/2006 6:44:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: El Gato

"all im saying is if you dont have the actual photo then people sound just like any tinfoil conspiracy theorist. I also think it looks suspicous....but we need to have a side by side evidence"

Even in 2006, I'm sure the majority of Americans have not used a cloning tool. But I'm also sure that millions have...even the least expensive graphics programs have a cloning tool, now. For anyone with experience, the use of the cloning tool int the photo is painfully obvious and no original is necessary. It will immediately be recognized as a botched job.


212 posted on 08/05/2006 6:45:59 PM PDT by Harpo Speaks (Honk! Honk! Honk! Either it's foggy out, or make that a dozen hard boiled eggs.)
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To: DCPatriot
If you're the kind of person that would buy a house based upon a photograph, you should freepmail me immediately. Bring cash!

Dream on.

Not only would I not buy a house based upon a photograph, I also would not buy a house from someone that photochoped the listing photo.

They should add that to the disclosure form that is filled out when listing the home....I'm aware my agent will use a photo that may not actually represent the real condition of the home.

Or how about a disclosure form for real estate people to fill out?

213 posted on 08/05/2006 6:47:31 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
No. If you can show that the same exact pattern is repeated, then you do not need the original to show that it is a fake.

Check the link over at LGF, because he has added some animated GIFs to show the exact sections of the photo that have been repeated. And you do not need the original to show it was doctored.

214 posted on 08/05/2006 6:48:45 PM PDT by Dales
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To: RandallFlagg
The Yahoo source for this photo is: http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20060805/2006_08_05t152933_450x304_us_mideast.jpg?x=380&y=256&sig=AMPOApbyIlO5jCvfhhRlpg--


The URL for the frame is here:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events//wl/080601mideast/im:/060805/photos_ts/2006_08_05t152933_450x304_us_mideast;_ylt=AsjnvBODxyp92Fk5vvQNXfblWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events//wl/080601mideast/im:/060805/photos_ts/2006_08_05t152933_450x304_us_mideast;_ylt=AsjnvBODxyp92Fk5vvQNXfblWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--

Lets see how long it lasts....

215 posted on 08/05/2006 6:49:40 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Blogger

Wow, that makes the difference obvious and dramatic -- no way that smoke is from the same image....... good find!


216 posted on 08/05/2006 6:49:41 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: Trust Nancy Pelosi to Win the War on Terror!! (gag))
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To: Hadean

217 posted on 08/05/2006 6:51:06 PM PDT by grimalkin (The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Enchante

I'm thinking it could be from the same image (theoretically) but the foreground has been contrast and sharpness adjusted. However, something doesn't ring right to me that the foreground wouldn't also be smokey with that amount of smoke billowing from the building. I think it is a fake too.


218 posted on 08/05/2006 6:53:23 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

It's even more obvious with this illustration.


219 posted on 08/05/2006 6:53:53 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Salem
I posted a screenshot of the page on post #52 of this thread.

We got 'em again!

220 posted on 08/05/2006 6:54:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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