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Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?
Pennsylvania State University ^ | 03 August 2006 | Barbara Kennedy

Posted on 08/04/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The question of what happened before the Big Bang long has frustrated cosmologists, both amateur and professional.

Though Einstein's theory of general relativity does an excellent job of describing the universe almost back to its beginning, near the Big Bang matter becomes so dense that relativity breaks down, says Penn State physicist Abhay Ashtekar. "Beyond that point, we need to apply quantum tools that were not available to Einstein."

Now Ashtekar and two of his post-doctoral researchers, Tomasz Pawlowski and Parmpreet Singh, have done just that. Using a theory called loop quantum gravity, they have developed a mathematical model that skates right up to the Big Bang -- and steps through it. On the other side, Ashtekar says, exists another universe with space-time geometry similar to our own, except that instead of expanding, it is shrinking. "In place of a classical Big Bang, there is in fact a quantum Bounce," he says.

Loop quantum gravity, one of the leading approaches to the unification of general relativity with quantum physics, was pioneered at the Institute of Gravitational Physics and Geometry at Penn State, which Ashtekar directs. The theory posits that space-time geometry itself has a discrete "atomic" structure, Ashtekar explains. Instead of the familiar space-time continuum, the fabric of space is made up of one-dimensional quantum threads. Near the Big Bang, this fabric is violently torn, and these quantum properties cause gravity to become repulsive, rather than attractive.

While the idea of another universe existing prior to the Big Bang has been proposed before, he adds, this is the first mathematical description that systematically establishes its existence and deduces its space-time geometry.

"Our initial work assumes a homogenous model of our universe," Ashtekar acknowledges. "However, it has given us confidence in the underlying ideas of loop quantum gravity. We will continue to refine the model to better portray the universe as we know it and to better understand the features of quantum gravity."

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Abhay Ashtekar is holder of the Eberly family chair in physics and director of the Institute for Gravitational Physics and Geometry in the Eberly College of Science. He can be reached at ava1@psu.edu.

The finding reported above was published in Physical Review Letters in May 2006. The research was sponsored by the National Science Foundation, Alexander von Humboldt Foundation, and the Penn State Eberly College of Science.


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To: agere_contra
What you said! Bump!

I just love science. It gives me something tanglible to explain some of those things around me that I don't understand.

I have a whole lot of questions for God. He's got the time to answer them...

41 posted on 08/04/2006 5:38:43 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Junior

All that now exists bursts from the singularity in a nano second and that wasn't an explosion? What was all of the light and heat and matter flying through space,old Jack Benny jokes?


42 posted on 08/04/2006 5:43:38 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: exit82
I fervently believe in the Big Bang theory.

God spoke and BANG, the universe came into existence.

I like it!

43 posted on 08/04/2006 5:45:37 AM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: PatrickHenry

A bit of foreplay, I'd imagine.


44 posted on 08/04/2006 5:46:13 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: em2vn
All that now exists bursts from the singularity in a nano second and that wasn't an explosion? What was all of the light and heat and matter flying through space,

All that light and heat and matter weren't flying through anything. The Big Bang was an explosion OF space, not of things in space. ANd the universe is still expanding from the Big Bang. Things are getting farther apart, but not from moving through space. More space is coming into existence between things.

45 posted on 08/04/2006 6:05:23 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: PatrickHenry

The Big Match lit the Big Fuse?


46 posted on 08/04/2006 6:07:39 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: PatrickHenry
101° Rx = + /_\
47 posted on 08/04/2006 6:19:37 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: JimRed

John 1:1


48 posted on 08/04/2006 6:21:05 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: airborne

Yes, it's an old joke. I like it too.I use it on humans who think they know how the universe began without God's help. It either cracks them up or they become very quiet.


49 posted on 08/04/2006 6:44:48 AM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: Junior
there was no "explosion." Spacetime expanded rapidly.

What's the definition of "explosion?" If you slow down an explosion, what is actually occurring? Rapid expansion?

50 posted on 08/04/2006 6:50:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: PatrickHenry
Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?

Iran declared war on Israel?

51 posted on 08/04/2006 6:51:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: sirchtruth
Yea, to some elitist, superior intellect I guess my questions are quite "inane," thanks for noticing!

Your question is 'inane' because you continue to ask it despite having repeatedly been given an explanation that your question is founded upon a faulty premise. This suggests that you are not asking your question as a means of gaining knowledge, but because you are attempting to foster doubt by deliberately and dishonestly misrepresenting the subject.
52 posted on 08/04/2006 6:52:47 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry

I notice the Evos are not waxing techno on this one. They are leaning more to the lame joke and personal attack mode. The technobabble is not as well developed in the area of pre-bigbang pseudoscience.


53 posted on 08/04/2006 6:56:42 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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To: All
What happened before the Big Bang?

"He was preparing Hell for those who ask these kind of questions" ;^)

54 posted on 08/04/2006 7:01:06 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: DungeonMaster
I notice the Evos are not waxing techno on this one.

Perhaps some of us post opinions only in areas we know well ===> Placemarker <===

55 posted on 08/04/2006 7:19:05 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Junior
And for the umpteenth time, there was no "explosion." Spacetime expanded rapidly.

It was obviously methaphor.

57 posted on 08/04/2006 7:36:23 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: doc30

What did the singularity exist in, nothingness? If so what was the nothingness comprised of, because if nothingness existed it was comprised of something or a total absence of something to which it could be compared.


58 posted on 08/04/2006 7:37:14 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: PatrickHenry

Bookmarking for later.


59 posted on 08/04/2006 7:40:11 AM PDT by MissyMa
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To: PatrickHenry

If there is a steady state over time, the Big Bang disturbed the trend. The post yesterday describing galaxies headed in a common direction indicates a reversion to a point and a pre big bang site.


60 posted on 08/04/2006 7:40:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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