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Actuaries admit that they cannot tell how long we will live
London Times ^ | 08/03/2006 | Christine Seib

Posted on 08/03/2006 10:05:58 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Actuaries admit that they cannot tell how long we will live

By Christine Seib

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ACTUARIES, the highly trained professionals who calculate pensions liabilities, yesterday broke with tradition and admitted that it was too difficult to estimate how long human beings might live.

For more than 80 years the Continuous Mortality Investigation (CMI) has supplied mortality tables that showed how lifespans were lengthening and how they might continue to improve.

Yesterday, the CMI acknowledged after the release of its latest set of tables that there was so much room for error it was no longer sensible to offer a single set of predictions. It said that projections of future mortality had not been done with the latest tables “because of the uncertainty surrounding future improvements”.

Actuaries use mortality tables to work out how much money companies should put aside for future pensions obligations. Insurers use the tables to price products such as life insurance. Improvements in medical care and diet and reductions in manual work and smoking have undermined established patterns in longevity improvement, causing actuaries to be accused of misleading companies over their data.

Kevin Wesbroom, principal consultant at Hewitt Associates, the actuarial consultancy, said that the admission was not a mere technical point. “If the FTSE 100 companies assumed that people will live two years longer, their pension deficits would increase by around £20 billion,” he said.

The new tables, called the 00 Series, look at mortality rates between 1999 and 2002. The previous tables, the 92 Series, were based on death rates for 1991 to 1994. The 00 Series showed that 12.85 men of every 1,000 aged 65 would die that year; the 92 Series put the figure at 18.12, meaning mortality rates had improved in that period by 29 per cent.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actuaries; health; longevity

1 posted on 08/03/2006 10:06:00 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

...and admitted that it was too difficult to estimate how long human beings might live.
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Another excuse to raise insurance costs.


2 posted on 08/03/2006 10:07:51 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SirLinksalot
I would think that an actuary could absolutely tell me how long I have to live.

Heck, my next door neighbor tells me I won't live to see Christmas (he tells me this every time he sees me). I don't know how he knows this (he's not even an actuary, in fact, I don't think he's held a job since he got out of prison last year.

it's a joke

3 posted on 08/03/2006 10:14:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hits me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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To: EagleUSA
Another excuse to raise insurance costs.

Actually just the opposite. When people live longer the premiums should be lower.

On the other hand, pensions face the prospect of paying benefits for longer periods of time. For a long time we've known that social security was in trouble, but this tells us that as bad as we think the situation is, it's really much much worse.

4 posted on 08/03/2006 10:18:00 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: SirLinksalot

Duh? There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.


5 posted on 08/03/2006 10:19:19 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SirLinksalot
Actually, American actuaries are quite good at mortality statistics. They need to be because billions of dollars in life insurance premiums (and payouts), accident premiums, and pension plan funding requirements depend on their professional opinions.

I knew several actuaries in grad school at the University of Texas at Austin -- one of apparently only a handful of schools that trains them. I don't recall a dumb one in the bunch.

Where people often become confused is where they misuse actuarial reports, often by failing to read the conditions expressed in the footnotes -- frequently expressed in terms of confidence intervals and probabilities.

For example, actuaries can't tell (and won't predict) how long a specific 50 year old male will live. On the other hand, they can tell with uncanny accuracy how long a population of 50 year old males will live.

This sort of goes with the old adage our profs used to pitch at us in engineering statistics classes, "Always remember, the average American has one tit and one ball."

6 posted on 08/03/2006 10:23:23 AM PDT by Zakeet (If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables, what is baby oil made from)
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To: 6ppc

Actually just the opposite. When people live longer the premiums should be lower.
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Not with medical insurance. Oh no. I can testify to that.


7 posted on 08/03/2006 10:29:23 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SirLinksalot
Guaranteed 100% accurate formula for telling how long you will live :

You live till you die..... then you are dead.
8 posted on 08/03/2006 10:41:49 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: EagleUSA

I was talking about life insurance.


9 posted on 08/03/2006 10:53:29 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: SirLinksalot

The article is a bit fuzzy, but I'd say that the annuity industry is a bit worried that life extention technology developed over the next 30 years could through off contracts made now.

I expect the industry will respond in a few years by putting in exclusion or limitation language into some of the longest term annuity contracts, since it will impact upon risk selection. No one will notice at first, but in 10 or 15 years as extention techniques and medications are developed it will become an issue and agents and consumers will begin to scrutinize and compare these provisions.


10 posted on 08/03/2006 11:06:37 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: SirLinksalot

I should note that those who feel that there are real possibilities in life-extention may want to take a hard look at an annuity contract now. You may want work with a very experienced annuity specialist who could advise you on contracts that are more resistant to future amendments.

Most promising technologies have to do with lowering overall metabolisim while attacking the causes of a specific list of an individual's degenerative diseases that they may be most vulnerable to.

Interesting stuff, really.


11 posted on 08/03/2006 11:16:05 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Zakeet

Anyone can take the actuarial exams -- I took Parts I and II myself back in college. I didn't impress any insurance company enough to hire me though. I'd be surprised if UT-Austin were any better at placing students as actuaries in training than any number of other schools that just offered a major in statistics, say. I could be wrong though.
However, I did quite well on the exams -- I think I fell short on the social skills, personality requirements, and such of the job rather than intellect.


12 posted on 08/03/2006 1:57:56 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: SirLinksalot

How long will I live?
Most likely I will die between the age of 60 and 110.


13 posted on 08/03/2006 1:59:24 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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