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Latest Aerial View of the MinutemanHQ Border Fence
RegisteredMedia ^ | 08-02-06 | Registered

Posted on 08/02/2006 8:38:36 PM PDT by Registered



TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; fence; humor; illegalimmigration; keyes; minuteman; minutemanhq; registeredhumor; satire; showmethemoney; simcox; suckers
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To: catholicfreeper
I don't see her or them doing that. The discovery process would reveal a lot they don't want to get into.

Most likely an empty threat.

101 posted on 08/05/2006 12:01:26 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I am not too worried lol. Especially since everything that beed discussed is in the public record. But I would suggest to these compnies that they might instruct their spokeswomen not to be speaking in their name about lawsuits because people are asking questions and talking about the what is in the public record. That can be horribly misconstrued.


102 posted on 08/05/2006 12:06:38 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper

Thank you for that interesting link. It sounds like there is some discrepancy in what Ms. Otis-Fred is saying and what Texas claims regarding their status.

Now: Have the civil suits, judgements and garnishment against Michael Fred and American Caging been discussed? I see that Ms. Otis was his attorney for at least one in 2002.

Relevant, or not?


103 posted on 08/05/2006 12:47:42 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Registered

I could tell this was faked, because there's much more fence in that picture than the MinuteMen have built.


104 posted on 08/05/2006 12:58:18 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: unsycophant

That might be. To be honest I need to go back and look at those 2002 suits. If I recall correctly I dont think she represented him. In fact I think it is true that as to what happened in the County where American caging is located no one representing American Caging or them personally ever showed up in anything. I seem to recall that someone submitted a document later into the record that proved the family home was a homestead and therefore couldn't be used under Texas law as a part of a judgment

As to the corpoartion matter. In the end that is not major really. I guess it could become major if it is not corrected I was told all they have to do is pay backtaxes and reapply and its over. Currently though the State of Texas through the two people I talked to this past week and from what I saw today were talked to by a poster on another forum today that there is no if ands or buts they are not a legal corporation.

As to the liens I don't know the status of that. However that can be found out.


105 posted on 08/05/2006 1:05:54 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Anti-Bubba182; catholicfreeper
The discovery process would reveal a lot they don't want to get into.

The discovery process is probably the main factor that will prevent lawsuits, but if everything quoted is backed up by public records, I don't know that any competent lawyer (hmmm, that might be a problem...) would take the case, except as a form of harassment, because there's no chance of prevailing.

Most likely an empty threat.

That's SOP.

They begin with insults and implications of liberalism. If that doesn't work, they imply everyone is ignorant but them (but offer no details to explain why), and when all else fails, they threaten legal action.

It's become so predictable as to be almost amusing. However, we can understand why most of the media consulting is done for losing candidates and these non-profits that seem to deliver nothing but contributions and mailing lists.

106 posted on 08/05/2006 5:30:31 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: catholicfreeper; EternalVigilance
Thanks for the heads-up... Great link in #100. I wonder if Maureen Otis realizes how much of this got stirred up due to an obnoxious poster here on her side?

Another good point made is that it has now been 14 days. Where is the Washington Times retraction you said would be coming, EV?

107 posted on 08/05/2006 8:45:32 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: catholicfreeper

Now what was it I was saying just up the thread?

Oh, yeah, this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676828/posts?page=97#97


108 posted on 08/05/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: catholicfreeper

Maureen Otis, president and founder of ACI: "Since the day MCDC was incorporated, my company has acted as the comptroller and escrow agent..."

Chris Simcox: "The leadership of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and its officers continue to have full faith and confidence in American Caging, Inc.".

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This was filed 8-1-06, totaling $29,929.11:

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/opr2006092951-1-2.pdf

If this has already been discussed, I missed it and would like to know what other opinions were voiced or facts learned.

Ms. Otis is an attorney and former CPA, and is "founder and president" of ACI. Michael Fred is also a founder, and responsible for collecting the mail from the various p.o. boxes each day.

Being named in several civil suits, judgements and garnishments does not seem to affect their business, as we see with MCDC, Keyes.org, and other clients.


109 posted on 08/05/2006 9:20:08 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant

Well all that is indeed interesting as well as all the other civil problems. I think its important for several reasons and legitimate to least think about

I really doubt that this caging firm is skimming off the top or doing anything blantant like that. But again what can't help but notice when the syndicate shows up often they are there.
The reason I find that interesting it it does raise the question that perhaps that certain people are getting lets a refund of the money they contribute to caging fees. I think that is something valid to explore because that company is making a ton there and its weird that we should be seeing problems such as this


110 posted on 08/05/2006 9:46:23 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Amelia
Maureen Otis: "...no one single individual, agent, officer or founder of MCDC has the power to authorize a penny of funds to be allocated or disbursed on behalf of the MCDC organization. All disbursements must go through an approval process involving the review and authorization of several people. Oversight and accountability are three-deep...

Pannell Kerr Forster of Texas,P.C. (report): "There are two types of bank accounts that ACI will deposit funds into on behalf of its customers-an account where ACI has signatory authority to sign checks drawn on it, and an account with no signatory authority by ACI.

For accounts with ACI signatory authority, ACI performs the following functions:

.....Prepares checks drawn on the organization's bank account to disburse funds to the organization....the organization's fundraiser....or ACI.

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So ACI can prepare and sign checks to be disbursed for MCDC and its fundraisers (people, orgs)---and pay themselves?

111 posted on 08/05/2006 10:19:24 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: catholicfreeper

Most nonprofits would be concerned about any company whose owners are named in lawsuits, judgements and garnishments, especially when there is some question about the records and filings of that business, and knowing the nature of their business and high profile clients will bring on much attention.


112 posted on 08/05/2006 11:13:51 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant

That is true. And they hace certain high profile clients. It is a touchy issue because we do know they went through a divorce. However I must say they must must still get along pretty well if Mr Fred is still working there picking up the mail and God knows doing what else.

But you are right. There is a weirdness to all these suits and unpaid taxes on such things as Condos and the Xerox corporation suing Caging because no one has paid the bill in a year.


113 posted on 08/05/2006 11:33:46 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: unsycophant
So ACI can prepare and sign checks to be disbursed for MCDC and its fundraisers (people, orgs)---and pay themselves?

That's certainly what she said.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us why that's not what she meant....

114 posted on 08/05/2006 4:22:28 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Howlin

You are absolutely 100% correct, on all accounts!


115 posted on 08/05/2006 7:44:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: catholicfreeper
Most informative and interesting; thanks for the ping.
116 posted on 08/05/2006 8:09:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Nick Danger
ROFLMAO.

Once, when I was young and idealistically unrealistic, I thought conservatives were the ones who believed in honest, transparent accountability—even when no one is looking.

Silly me. We only have to be accountable to the IRS.

Nice post.
117 posted on 08/05/2006 8:25:09 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish
Once, when I was young and idealistically unrealistic, I thought conservatives were the ones who believed in honest, transparent accountability—even when no one is looking.

I used to think that was especially true of self-proclaimed Christian conservatives.

Sadly, some of them don't seem to practice what they preach.

118 posted on 08/06/2006 5:14:24 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Registered; Amelia; unsycophant; catholicfreeper; Rex Anderson; Texasforever; Anti-Bubba182; ...

More Trouble In Minuteman Land-- Power Struggles, Envy, Pettiness, and Sex
http://theponderingamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/trouble-in-minuteman-movement.html


119 posted on 08/06/2006 3:45:00 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper
Link

"..CHRIS SIMCOX @ MCDC SAID: Minuteman Project "founder" Jim Gilchrist is about to lead his band of volunteers to the slaughter in the Laredo area beginning September 11th. MCDC does not sanction this suicidal plan of Gilchrist's -he does not have the support of land owners, law enforcement and Border Patrol as he claims. It is imperative that all MCDC volunteers stay away from this dog and pony show disaster in the making. We begin our fall MCDC border watch along the entire southern border just as we always do on October 1. We will be deployed in new areas in all four southern border states during our fall operation. We have new equipment and many new volunteers, but we must stick with MCDC and steer clear of the Gilchrist, Texas Minutemen, Glen Spencer American Border Patrol radicals. We can only pray for them and hope they do not self destruct, get someone killed and ultimately tarnish the Minuteman movement -even if they do, we shall rise above by sticking with our SOP and rational game plan. We will conduct our operations as we always do in order to assist law enforcement and with the safety of our volunteers as a primary operational concern..."

"..MM01: Now you stab Gilchrist and Spencer and TXMM in the back...

SIMCOX: Have not stabbed anyone in the back -I come at you head on. Gilchrist, Spencer and TX Minutemen would never pass inspection with MCDC. All are extremist, racialist radicals. Gilchrist should have been the first person terminated from the April '05 month long project for violating the SOP.???? It was Jim who started the Minuteman Project operation not you, you are delusional.."

If Simcox is quoted accurately he really has turned on Gilchrist. It especially bad that he is playing the racist card against Gilchrist.

120 posted on 08/06/2006 9:34:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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