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'It was all so very fast (Great account of Bint Jbeil battle)
Jerusalem Post ^ | 7/27/2006 | ANSHEL PFEFFER

Posted on 07/27/2006 6:35:55 PM PDT by JewishRighter

The thing that most impressed Capt. Yisrael Friedler, commander of A Company in the Golani Brigade's Battalion 51, during the bloody battle in Bint Jbail on Wednesday, was the way the junior commanders conducted themselves after their officers had been hit by Hizbullah gunfire.

"The moment their officers went down," he told The Jerusalem Post Thursday, "the sergeants took their radios and began reporting in and managing the battle, while at the same time taking charge of evacuating the wounded. It was the height of professionalism," he said.

The firefight began early in the morning when two companies, A and C, began advancing down one of Bint Jbail's streets on parallel routes. Contrary to previous reports, Friedler said, the Hizbullah fighters were not lying in ambush. "Both sides were unaware of each other and it was actually one of our soldiers who saw them first and opened fire."

In the initial firing, 30 members of C Company, a third of its total strength, were hit, as was the battalion's deputy commander, Maj. Roi Klein.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bintjbeil; hizbollah; idf; israel2006; lebanon; mideast
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To: browardchad

Oh, lovely.


61 posted on 07/28/2006 1:12:18 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: Gondring

Nazi snipers found rubble an excellent place to hide and shoot at the Allied troops.


62 posted on 07/28/2006 1:16:55 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Well said.


63 posted on 07/28/2006 1:19:57 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: Gondring
Thank you, sir.

And when someday the Islamofascists come in their millions to the pass of Armageddon, I hope they'll find some people there waiting for them under a starry Cross of St. Andrew.

64 posted on 07/28/2006 1:35:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: browardchad
Very good point. Save the data, it may save you a company later.

Or a city.

65 posted on 07/28/2006 1:39:45 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The best minds in the century were slaughtered for Hitler's Evil plans...we can not have our men slaughtered for PC in Iraq, or anywhere else that freedom is at risk...already the Israeli is being stopped from doing what is necessary...I pray the Conservatives win this battle for ideas in Israel...and does not Wait for a NATO buffer zone...
66 posted on 07/28/2006 2:20:53 AM PDT by Turborules
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To: Kewlhand`tek

bint = daughter of
bin = son of

Bint Jbeil, also Bint Jibal, Jebal or Jabal, depending on your local Arabic pronounciation = Daughter of the Mountain.


67 posted on 07/28/2006 2:28:21 AM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: middie

I'm glad I read the thread before reacting to some of the initial questions/comments. Monte Cassino was the first thing I thought of, when I saw the calls to "level" the town first.


68 posted on 07/28/2006 2:35:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Israel should react to Iran and Syria like President Kennedy did in the October Missile Crisis.

He told the Russians that any missile attack from Cuba would be considered an attack from the Soviet Union and would be answered with a massive response.


69 posted on 07/28/2006 3:20:55 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: JewishRighter
Do Hizbullah "soldiers" wear uniforms? How about Al Qaida? "Insurgents" in Iraq, etc.? Do Muslim Jihadists wear uniforms?

Television news is ubiquitous, so I can't help but hear it. And I hear about Israelis killing civilians. But without uniforms, how can the press be certain that those killed are civilians?
70 posted on 07/28/2006 3:29:58 AM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one (Democratic) party press)
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To: billhilly

"...I'm not Jewish, but an admirer of Jewish people, and their role in history."


And I as well.


71 posted on 07/28/2006 6:21:56 AM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: SJackson

"The moment their officers went down, the sergeants took their radios and began reporting in and managing the battle..."

That kind of heroism and professional soldiery just gives me goosebumps: Chazak!!!


72 posted on 07/28/2006 7:01:53 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: ChessExpert

I know they show up for rallies and such in uniforms. I don't know what passes for battledress. If they follow type, they would wear civies to melt into the crowd when necessary. Good question.


73 posted on 07/28/2006 7:03:26 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Gondring; JewishRighter
Another thought is Israel maybe trying to preserve evidence (weapon caches) that will prove the extent of Hezbullah preparedness and equipment available to them.
74 posted on 07/28/2006 7:10:19 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost

Good point. Also, a good source of intel into the construction of defenses and greater likelihood of finding other intel sources (computers, paperwork) intact.


75 posted on 07/28/2006 7:15:08 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

You assuem perfect conditions can be obtained. Not so. The very nature of war involves unknown perils.

The best defense is good training to absorb and react. That is what the article is all about.


76 posted on 07/28/2006 7:17:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: lentulusgracchus

"the Israelis in their one-down position"

what's "one-down position"?


77 posted on 07/28/2006 7:28:19 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: thinkthenpost

The Hezbollah bunker in Bint Jubayl was taken nearly intact. Hezbollah attempted to destroy the equipment in the bunker, but was not successful in destroying it all, according to an intelligence source. Abu Jaafar, the Hezbollah commander in southern Lebanon, may have rather than being captured. The Israeli troops seized Hezbollah computers, documents and monitoring devices used to observe the Israeli border, in addition to the "electronic surveillance equipment, weapons and communication devices made in Iran" which was reported yesterday. The bunker served as the equivalent of a Hezbollah headquarters and command and control center for the southern border.

From Ernest's excellent post above:

"The Israelis targeted the town of Bint Jubayl with the hope of obtaining further intelligence on Hezbollah's organization and capabilites, as well as the location of their two captured soldiers. The documents and computer seized by the IDF may outline Hezbollah's command and organizational structure in southern Lebanon, although this is unknown at this time. Israeli intelligence is currently analyzing the data. "

Bingo.


78 posted on 07/28/2006 7:37:04 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

I've just got to thank all the excellent posters on this thread. Conservatives think. Collectively, you have educated me and changed my initial view of the whole thing. At least one poster still makes a convincing argument that tactical approach of the soldiers involved was wrong and got them in trouble. Meanwhile, I came to understand that ing a town to rubble is not necessarily a good idea.

Again, thanks to all.


79 posted on 07/28/2006 7:40:42 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: All
Just a thought but isn't a large portion of our current MOUT doctrine lifted from IDF experience? It seems that I remember a top down approach being SOP in this type of terrain. I do realize though that sometimes you just got to move, but the approach described in the article does seem a bit odd.
80 posted on 07/28/2006 8:20:34 AM PDT by The Toll
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