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Dump Condi: Foreign policy conservatives charge State Dept. has hijacked Bush agenda
Insight Magazine ^ | July 26th | Daniel

Posted on 07/26/2006 2:36:52 PM PDT by red meat conservative

Conservative national security allies of President Bush are in revolt against Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, saying that she is incompetent and has reversed the administration’s national security and foreign policy agenda.

The conservatives, who include Newt Gingrich, Richard Perle and leading current and former members of the Pentagon and National Security Council, have urged the president to transfer Miss Rice out of the State Department and to an advisory role. They said Miss Rice, stemming from her lack of understanding of the Middle East, has misled the president on Iran and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

"The president has yet to understand that people make policy and not the other way around," a senior national security policy analyst said. "Unlike [former Secretary of State Colin] Powell, Condi is loyal to the president. She is just incompetent on most foreign policy issues."

(Excerpt) Read more at insightmag.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
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To: Pukin Dog
"You are wrong on so many things, in so many ways, its a wonder that you can use the Internet."

LOL, that's a good line. I'm gonna save that for use on obvious trolls.

281 posted on 07/27/2006 7:24:59 PM PDT by defenderSD ("Rise early, work hard, strike oil." - J. Paul Getty)
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To: sinkspur

Considering that I replied to your post of:

"Such colossal ignorance has earned yours the distinction of Dumbest Post of the Day."

Methinks that such personal attacks render you the immature one.

As to your view of Sharon:

You must obviously find Sharon's work in the Gaza Strip to be a GLOWING success. Most definitely so, as you find my criticism of it to be wrong.

That speaks volumes as to your true nature.


282 posted on 07/27/2006 7:27:16 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: gogogodzilla

LOL!!


283 posted on 07/27/2006 7:30:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: NorCalRepub

Obviously, you've either never heard of:

http://www.campus-watch.org/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/

Otherwise you'd understand just how radically liberal, anti-US, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist, pro-communist our universities have become.

Please, wake up and learn about just how revolting our universities are nowadays. Stanford may have the Hoover Institute, but they also have:

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1472
- Stanford's Islamist Threat

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2002/10/3/stanfordTargetedForAntiisraelBias
- Stanford targeted for ‘anti-Israel bias’


284 posted on 07/27/2006 7:39:31 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: gogogodzilla
....hey I don't dispute the universities are dens of iniquity....but they can do some good...and Condi being the Provost is not some flippant thing...yes...I know universities...breed some whackos...but MOST removed or pay them no heed....hell, I have a graduate degree from Bezerkely....#1 rated public university in the world and I saw it all the time...but if you move on....it just bounces off you.....besides....who do you think designed most of our nuclear weapons....Lawrence Livermore Labs, Lawrence Labs in Berkeley (now closed to that) and Los Alamos.. All run by the University of Calif......so thank them for our nuclear arsenal.....I see more evil elsewhere...like in the Middle East.....not the universities as a whole......
285 posted on 07/27/2006 7:47:13 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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My apologies. I think I did a vast disservice in my too-short synopsis of Dr. Rice's accomplishments. This is better.
(from Radio Interview "Mad About Music", http://www.wnyc.org/shows/mam/episodes/2005/01/02)

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.


286 posted on 07/27/2006 8:36:09 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Not only is Condi fine, she is a patriot who can beat the slippery Arabs on their own turf.

You have to understand tha Condis success depends on setting up communication with adversaries. In her work she must play the art of compromise. That necessitates the image that everyone is criticizing.

As a long term professional scholar of international affairs she is well aware of diplomatic styles. What we have here is a female Henry Kissinger who is able to convince everyone that she is an all round "nice person" but she is a woman of iron will and steel. Note that world leaders seek her out and enjoy socializing with her. That is not treachery but it is skill.

What we see now is Condi Count Metternich style and you will see the iron core of her if that is necessary. She has a lot of power and has learned to weild it softly, confidentially and accurately. Her detractors are in dismay, because she is beginning to appear as if she might be presidential material. I believe she is, and more qualified for the job than Hillery Clinton ever will be.

So she needs space and support, not gimping from others who think they can walk in her shoes and dictate to that po' little black woman what she should do!

Her detractors are mental midgets compared to Ms. Rice.

287 posted on 07/27/2006 9:02:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: AmeriBrit; red meat conservative
Too much of a coincidence that 'red meat conservative's' name in his blog profile is Daniel.

What is the problem with the name Daniel?

288 posted on 07/27/2006 9:08:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: defenderSD
Okay, I'm prepared to believe that Cheney and Rummy are on board with Condi, and that this is a propaganda piece from a hostile source, given what I've been told from a friendly player. However, I do expect the Iranians to strike first, and in a big way.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

289 posted on 07/27/2006 9:08:48 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: AmeriBrit; red meat conservative

I did some homework when I first found this thread. I saw that the originator is indeed a blogger and doesn't hide it.

I also saw that the original post is an article from Insight Magazine, which is a conservative site if you take a look at it and at who their contributors are. There is no author name credited in the link.

red meat conservative/Daniel then posted his comments in Reply #1 and then linked to his blog. Alas, he really started something but didn't come back to discuss further, which is either FR inexperience or just his "style."

red meat, we need clarification from you. Are you also the author of the Insight Magazine article?


290 posted on 07/27/2006 9:21:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: La Enchiladita
His silence means that he wrote the POS article? He seems to have a hatred for Rice. Whats wrong meat, doncha want to see Condi seek nomination to run for the office of POTUS?

I can't see much else in this article that would describe why anyone would advocate pulling the rug out from under our nations international plenipotentiary officer in the middle of a game that has nukes on both sides a few years down the road pal!

You act like a DNC counterintel operative!

The ZOT needs to be considered here if we can't get a confirmed source of authorship for this POS article.

291 posted on 07/27/2006 9:28:20 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7

I have not concluded from his silence that he wrote the article, just asking for clarification. My guess is that he did not.

I have many times posted AP and other articles that do not credit an author, so in the 'author' space provided by FR I write "Staff."

I think the poster was confused and placed his own name there. I could be wrong. It's not everyone's style to stay with a thread they originate, but I prefer when the 'host' sticks around...


292 posted on 07/27/2006 9:34:57 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: gogogodzilla

You know gogogodzilla, if you kept your mouth shut people wouldn't know just how ignorant you are.

Lay down the bottle you ol' drunk. We all know that's where you get your idiotic "courage" and then get on the computer.


293 posted on 07/27/2006 9:43:00 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: section9
"However, I do expect the Iranians to strike first, and in a big way."

Any ideas on what weapons they might use to strike the West?

294 posted on 07/27/2006 9:55:28 PM PDT by defenderSD ("Rise early, work hard, strike oil." - J. Paul Getty)
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To: La Enchiladita
The USA is not a combatant in Israel's war, and it should not be. It is dysfunctional to consider the creation of a Palistinian State as a non sequiter even as war is waged between Israel and Hamas and Hezbollah. As far as US policy goes, Zionism, a thing of beauty I personally admire BTW, cannot be confused as congruent with US policy. Hamas must have some hope as should the Palestinian people, who now surely must understand their folly in their most recent election after the death of Arafat.Why the knee jerk reaction to the creation of a Palestinian State, which is official US policy, yet to be abandoned?

So Meat's diatribe about Condi and his facile Blogpimping has little intrinsic worth but to fan the flames of confusion about our nations chief plenipotentiary officer at a time when the team needs to be united. I think Condi is doing an admirable, skilful diplomatic job so far, all round. Meat is a headhunter and a pro Zionist who seems to want Pearlman to be Condi's stand in for a reoccupation of the 1967 boundary lands of Israel. This makes Meat's post here self serving to have Freepers visit his Blogosphere. I hardly consider his motive and stand very illuminating on any of the issues, nor his action very patriotic for a man proclaiming his US conservatism so self-servingly. Free Republic is not a very good place to head hunt one of our best when she is in the middle of a very important game that is played for keeps. In the middle of the fog of war and her work to evolve clarity, this blogsters approach is gauche at best and not much better than Spam at its worst.

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http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/2006/07/condi-discusses-israeli-war-on-foxnews.html **********************************************

Condi Discusses Israeli War on Foxnews Sec. of State Rice was just interviewed on Foxnews. On the positive side she once again definitively supported Israel while espousing the meaningless phrases of avoiding civilians just to placate the Europeans. On the other hand, she is still vociferously pushing for a Palestinian terror state even after everything that has happened?!! She made some disturbing references to "extreme elements of Hamas" numerous times. This means that she believes that there are moderate Hamas factions that can be legitimizing for the sole purpose of creating a state and cutting Israel in half!! Is there nothing that the Palestinian terrorist government and citizens can do that will convince her that the creation of the most violent terror state in the world will bring peril? Also, the Foxnews anchor kept hammering her about her tough talk on Syria and Iran and lack of deeds to back it up. She responded with the usual cliches and indecisive rhetoric that has become so typical of every beaurocrat. The US State Dep't needs to stop playing both sides of the fence and disseminating hypocritical policies towards Israel, Iran, and Syria. ****************************************

Hardly worth reading.

295 posted on 07/27/2006 9:58:50 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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IMHO, the article is just a paragraph everyone has to read everytime they open the page, as if we can all get brainwashed if we hear the lies often enough, and is a fake.


296 posted on 07/27/2006 10:05:58 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: gentlestrength
You omitted the fact that Condi is bilingual in Russian and English, that she plays concert piano, and she likes the discrete company of intelligent men. IN short, we have a female SOS who is in the mold of KISSINGER.
297 posted on 07/27/2006 10:07:52 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: gogogodzilla

You are implying that no good people can be in academia, which is wrong. Perhaps she could've been one?


298 posted on 07/27/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Candor7; La Enchiladita
I've just spent 1½ hrs on 'Google' reading everything I could find on 'redmeatconservative'. Most of it is 'copy and paste' stuff from other sites and authors. He started his blog on July 6th 2006 the same day he registered here. Before that there's nothing. The very little in his own words is in the same style as Daniel D Rezner, but I doubt very much they're one and the same. More than likely a wannabee.

The majority of his links through 'Google' lead right back to here on FR.
299 posted on 07/27/2006 11:08:23 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (Spreading the truth - Doing the job the MSM won't do!)
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To: Candor7
A Palestinian state, side by side with Israel, is not what the Arabs want. And everyone should know that. Their only goal is the extinction of the Jews and taking over the land known as Israel.

The goal of the U.S. should be to preserve a strong Israel, as the defeat of terrorism is in the best interests of the Free World and -- indeed -- in the best interests of all Middle East nations that wish to survive and thrive ultimately in freedom. The preservation of Israel is also a stand against the genocide of any people.

So, it is U.S./Israel/Britain/Australia and ??? versus terrorism, and it is Freedom vs. Tyranny. We're also dealing with a time-warp, Medieval vs. 21st century.

Currently, Israel is doing everything right, within their rights, and the battle has just begun. My concern is that I do not want to see Israel make any more concessions that would hurt her. "To everything there is a time... " and I do not think it is time for peace.

It IS past time for Hamas to return Gilad Shalit, and past time for Hizb'Allah to return two more IDF troops. Shouldn't that be stressed of utmost importance?

SECSTATE is apparently making an unplanned return trip to the ME as we speak and we may soon hear developments.

Some people think of FR as a blog, because an article is posted and comments follow. But I think of it as a discussion forum where post-and-run is frowned on, but defending and explicating one's stand is respected, especially as done point by point.

300 posted on 07/27/2006 11:23:26 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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