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Dump Condi: Foreign policy conservatives charge State Dept. has hijacked Bush agenda
Insight Magazine ^ | July 26th | Daniel

Posted on 07/26/2006 2:36:52 PM PDT by red meat conservative

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To: pollyannaish
There are no ugly women in San Diego. They melt in the heat, and are washed out to sea, and show up on the piers in San Francisco, mistaken for giant sea lions.
241 posted on 07/27/2006 8:48:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
ROFL. Well, you are in the right place. Pretty Pukin and the Princesses.
242 posted on 07/27/2006 8:52:29 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: xjcsa
My thoughts exactly. I know he is needed right where he is but sure would be nice to replace Condi with a no nonsense tough guy like Bolton, who knows that Islam and evil are the same thing and that the U.N. is a paper tiger.
243 posted on 07/27/2006 9:09:02 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Pukin Dog
I'm so pretty that women who hate me still bring me beer and gummy bears.

LOL..didn't know there were two of us, although I substitute chocolate eclairs for the gummy bears.

244 posted on 07/27/2006 11:17:54 AM PDT by evad
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To: La Enchiladita
"Israel needs to know, both overtly and covertly, from us that we are still her ally....The right sort of man could convey the demeanor better."

That's silly! What "demeanor" does a woman not have to express that the USA is their "ally?" Physical strength? Size is not automatically equated to strength, as we see with the small country of Israel, yet its powerful defense.

Her physical size, looks, have absolutely zero to do with the policies of this country, which instead have boundaries set by our democratically elected leaders, in our representational system. Leaders try to implement plans. It has nothing to do with gender.

Cojones? In my book, Secretary Rice sure had them to be there in the midst of all of this.

It's not "demeanor," which will cause other countries to agree with us. They have to find benefit as to why our plans and ideas will be better than their own plans. Israel knows when we support their actions and when we don't.

Again, if it were a gender issue, if only men were capable of adequately expressing what they expect in behavior of these nations, the men we have had working on the Middle East would have accomplished the tasks. It has nothing to do with gender.

There were female nation leaders mentioned in the Bible, and they were not recorded as something sinful or inadequate for the righteous ruling of a people.

Unintentioned, or intentioned, underestimation of the value of an entire half of the world's population, also created in the image of God, is still misogyny and wrong. Women are guilty of this, as are men.

We judge people based on their actions, not their gender or race.

245 posted on 07/27/2006 11:52:38 AM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: sinkspur; Sabramerican
Rice insisted Hamas be allowed to run...How do you have democratic elections when you preclude one party from running?...Your examples are unconvincing.

Hamas can't run a slate here in the US, nor can any other terrorist group, we have democratic elections.

The participation of armed groups in elections was banned under Oslo. Parties participating in elections had to be approved both by the PA and Israel. The US didn't allow al Qaida to run a slate in Afghanistan, or in Iraq. We did push for Hamas in the PA, Hizbollah in Lebanon, al Sadr in Iraq, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. So far no one is dying in Egypt, but imo it was a mistake as well.

Frankly GWB's emphasis on "Democracy", as defined by single elections, is incomplete. Seems to me "Democracy" must also include political and religious freedoms, a unitary system of governance and justice, and a demonstrated ability to transfer power peacefully. Terrorist groups don't fit in that equation.

246 posted on 07/27/2006 1:02:52 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: gentlestrength

You are yet another waste of time who twists the words and meanings of others so you can ramble on meaninglessly.

I NEVER mentioned race, you did. One cannot say anything slightly politically incorrent around you or any other liberal without being labelled with one of your buzz words, like misogynist.

Also, I disagree with you that U.S. knows better than other countries as to what they should do in their own best interests. Israel knows best in this situation.


247 posted on 07/27/2006 1:15:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: Pukin Dog
I suggest we sharpen up our horns,

Your RINO horns?

248 posted on 07/27/2006 1:17:59 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: red meat conservative; All
"A major problem, critics said, is Miss Rice's ignorance of the Middle East. They said the secretary relies completely on Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who is largely regarded as the architect of U.S. foreign policy."

No one need look any further than Nicholas Burns - he with a long history rotating in and out of State Department, congressional staffs and think tanks, leaving the State Department sometime early in the first Bush administration to become a senior foreign policy advisor to the presidential campaign of...................................................................... .............................................................................

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John Kerry.

Burns then got rehired at State by Condi after Colin left.

That's the facts.

Do you think Colin knew something Condi didn't? And are you the least bit curious how Condi - with her "loyalty to Bush" - reconciled herself to Burn's active work on behalf of Kerry?

I brought this strange fact up to Condi's defenders here months ago when - after repeated warnings directly from Abbas - Condi claimed to be surprised by the Hamas election victory. I said then she has been captured by the experienced permanent government types like Burns, who, like the executives of a dying multinational conglomerate believe their own PR against all observable evidence to the contrary - the world is always as they believe it to be, not as it really is. Condi might truthfully be naive as to the validity of the "exerienced advice" of the snakes like Burns who manage to sell appeasment as a strength.

249 posted on 07/27/2006 1:49:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Nicholas Burns, a Kerry supporter: that is the BOMB! Literally.


250 posted on 07/27/2006 2:35:50 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: La Enchiladita

Not simply a Kerry supporter - an active paid senior advisor.


251 posted on 07/27/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I have to go now, but I think you should ping some interested parties back to this thread.


252 posted on 07/27/2006 2:42:18 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Brian Williams, how do you feel about being an idiotic, tan-in-a-can pantywaist?)((AM YISRAEL CHAI!))
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To: Canard

'Tain't no pleasin' some folks, Canard.


253 posted on 07/27/2006 2:44:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by fleeing the scene of an accident)
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To: La Enchiladita
I NEVER mentioned race, you did.

I certainly did not say you did. No one here did. I brought it up to make the point that sometimes we have unintentioned prejudice against race and women.

Instead, you chose to associate me with a liberal which is lying, slander, wrong, and namecalling, (activities dishonest people which includes liberals would do).

Misogynist is my "buzzword" as you claim?? It's just a shorter way of saying "someone who has a dislike of women." It's called editing a post to make it shorter.

Standing up for the validity of women should certainly not be a liberal cause. Because radical feminism was wrong, does not mean that conservatives have to throw out the good lessons: like women can have value. Otherwise, on this point we're no different than Islamicists.

I don't like when a girl Sheriff responds to a call, pulling up in the squad car with painted daisies on her fingernails. She may be skilled, but I don't "feel" the comfort of protection I was hoping for. But my point was that Dr. Rice IS skilled, and being a woman, particularly the way she handles herself, is not a detriment at all, and is instead an asset.

254 posted on 07/27/2006 2:46:47 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: SJackson
GWB's emphasis on "Democracy", as defined by single elections, is incomplete. Seems to me "Democracy" must also include political and religious freedoms, a unitary system of governance and justice, and a demonstrated ability to transfer power peacefully. Terrorist groups don't fit in that equation.

You're exactly right! Nor does it fit most of these countries, because they can turn around and with a majority 'democratically' elect an evil person and system.

255 posted on 07/27/2006 2:56:02 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: gentlestrength

Freedom, Liberty, those would have been much better terms to use than Democracy.


256 posted on 07/27/2006 2:59:12 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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Standing up for the validity of women should certainly not be a liberal cause

I meant SOLELY a liberal cause.

257 posted on 07/27/2006 5:02:53 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Stepan12
She did? We keep hearing this but none of you guys ever comes out with a really good reference.

BTW, when someone says "Islam means peace", it really doesn't mean the same thing so don't bother us with one of those quotes. Get one that says what you said ~ nothing less than that will suffice.

I'll give it a hotkey on my desktop.

258 posted on 07/27/2006 5:58:39 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: Perdogg
BTW, concerning cleaning out State, or any other government agency, ever since the Pendleton Act it's been rather difficult to do.

When it comes to State, your ambition to "clean" it out suggests that you know where there's a ready supply of folks to replace the current staff.

How much you willing to pay for them? Right now, DC is so difficult to commute into every day, and housing prices are so high, downtown agencies find they have to pay entry level analysts (GS7/9) salaries (with bonus) they were paying GS 15s just a couple of years ago.

Frankly, no one with the requisite skills wants to work at State ~ there are plenty of other places, just as interesting, scattered hither and yon in cheaper (or easier to commute to) areas.

259 posted on 07/27/2006 6:02:36 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: capt. norm

The State Department has been pro-Arab and vehemently anti-Jew since before WWII. And I say anti-Jew because Israel didn't even EXIST at the time the State Department picked up it's hatred.


260 posted on 07/27/2006 6:06:47 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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