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Rethinking Red States (Can Democrats Compete in the South?)
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, July 24, 2006 | Shailagh Murray

Posted on 07/24/2006 9:36:25 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

If you want to understand why Democrats are the minority party in Congress, look at four states: Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina and Kentucky. Before the 1994 elections, when Democrats still controlled both chambers, these Southern states had 24 Democratic House members and 14 Republicans. Among senators, there were five Republicans and three Democrats.

Today, there are 24 GOP House members and 15 Democrats, and all eight senators are Republicans.

Democrats acknowledge that their prospects for regaining control are dim until they start winning elections in this region. Several of this year's races are lab experiments in this effort, with Democrats testing new types of candidates, messages and media.

They hope to underscore that they do not fit stereotypes of Democrats as cultural liberals, and they hope to win voters with mix of economic populism and traditional values. There is talk of raising the minimum wage and creating more jobs, but little about abortion or gun control.

Phil Kellam, who is challenging Rep. Thelma D. Drake in Virginia's 2nd District, is airing a TV ad that calls for ending the sale of violent video games to children and blocking their access to violent or pornographic Web sites. President Bush won Drake's district with 58 percent of the vote in 2004. But Democratic Gov. Timothy M. Kaine won the same precincts in 2005.

Democrats have been thrilled to find their candidates in striking distance in some of these races. One of the Democrats' top targets is North Carolina's 11th District, where former Washington Redskins quarterback Heath Shuler is trying to unseat Republican Rep. Charles H. Taylor. In Virginia, James Webb, a former Republican who served as secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan, is being watched closely by Democrats to see if he can make Sen. George Allen sweat for reelection.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: North Carolina; US: Tennessee; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006election; allen2006; charleshtaylor; congress; election2006; electioncongress; gop; jameswebb; redstates; shuler; southernvote; thelmadrake
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To: MinorityRepublican
...and all eight senators [in VA, KY, TN, and NC] are Republicans.

Let's widen this out a bit. Consider all Southern states east of the Mississippi, other than Florida (which isn't "Southern," sociologically speaking). So, eight contiguous states: VA, KY, TN, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS. Sixteen Republican Senators, zero Dems. Who would have predicted that a couple of decades ago?

21 posted on 07/24/2006 10:08:39 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: Beagle8U

"I get tired of people trying to promote either one of those turds for the Republican nomination."

Don't think it is promoting the turd as much as it is understanding that in a situation where you have a choice, the only choice might be dog food(Hillary) or cat food(Rudy or McLame)





22 posted on 07/24/2006 10:09:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Sixteen Republican Senators, zero Dems. Who would have predicted that a couple of decades ago?

The Solid South is still Solid. It's the single most obvious indicator that the voters didn't change - the parties did.

23 posted on 07/24/2006 10:11:56 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Rethinking Red States (Can Democrats Compete in the South?)

Why, sure they can. Look how successful Cynthia McKinney has been in the South. Just make her the DNC Chair and watch those Dem numbers take a drastic leap forward all over the South.< /snicker >

24 posted on 07/24/2006 10:15:32 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: wvobiwan
Democrats can only compete in their liberal enclaves. The rest of the country gets their news from Fox and are no longer ignorant to Democrat 'values'; pro-terrorism, anti-US, anti-Military, pro-illegal alien, anti-law/order.

You forgot pro killing babies and anti executing murderers.

25 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:21 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I live in Oklahoma (not exactly a Southern state but I believe a state that has a lot in common with the Deep South) and tomorrow we are having a statewide primary. In the ads leading up to the primary you can always tell the Democrat candidate. By and large, they never mention their party but instead describe themselves as "conservative", "having traditonal values", etc.


26 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:47 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Why only east of the Mississippi? AR, LA, TX, and OK are southern states too. Also, don't forget WV and MD, they both have two Dem senators. Now, MD is of course an exception due to the high black population being augmented by the libs in Montgomery County, kind of like Florida is affected by the retiree population, but as for the others, I'm curious why you excluded them.


27 posted on 07/24/2006 10:38:53 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Why only east of the Mississippi? AR, LA, TX, and OK are southern states too. Also, don't forget WV and MD, they both have two Dem senators. Now, MD is of course an exception due to the high black population being augmented by the libs in Montgomery County, kind of like Florida is affected by the retiree population, but as for the others, I'm curious why you excluded them.

Strictly arbitrary, as were the four states which were the subject of the article. I find it fascinating that you can drive from Arlington, VA to Natchez, MS, or from Covington, KY to Brunswick, GA without passing through a state represented by a Democratic Senator.

Now, if you want to include "the entire South," then you get into some controversy as to which states are "Southern" and which states aren't. If you want to define the south as those states which seceded in the 1860s, then you could take my list of eight, drop KY, and add FL, AR, LA, and TX, giving you eleven states. Under that definition, the South has nineteen Republicans and three Democrats in the Senate -- still pretty amazing, from an historical perspective.

As far as the "Border States" are concerned, in my opinion, being south of the Mason-Dixon line isn't enough to be considered Southern. MD? No way. WV? Hell, no -- they consciously opted out of the South by splitting off of VA. We won't take them back, and you can't make us. A stronger case can be made for the inclusion of KY as a Southern state. And OK is a stretch -- it seems more Western/Great Plains to me -- but we'll consider their application, LOL.

28 posted on 07/24/2006 11:41:00 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Doesn't matter who you personally run... as long as your party is out there saying guys fornicating in public bathrooms are the same as everyone else...... you won't win.. period.


29 posted on 07/24/2006 11:43:46 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: MinorityRepublican

The democrats can do about as well in the south as does the Washington Post.
Neither are too welcome as both are unAmerican.


30 posted on 07/24/2006 11:50:48 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Mason Dixon line is in my state Pennsylvania. Guess what? Were southern! At least following what rules people say. lol.


31 posted on 07/24/2006 12:02:14 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
Mason Dixon line is in my state Pennsylvania. Guess what? Were southern!

Well, the Mason-Dixon Line isn't in Pennsylvania, exactly. It forms most of Pennsylvania's southern border, and then makes a 90º turn to form the border between Delaware and Maryland.

32 posted on 07/24/2006 12:08:32 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Well, the Mason-Dixon Line isn't in Pennsylvania, exactly. It forms most of Pennsylvania's southern border, and then makes a 90º turn to form the border between Delaware and Maryland.


I just like have fun saying it because it really bug the real southerners. You have to have fun on FREEPERS sometimes.


33 posted on 07/24/2006 12:13:41 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: MinorityRepublican
The question isn't whether the Democrats are going to win the South in presidential elections, it's whether they can elect more congressmen there.

That's not impossible. For much of the 20th century, Democrats ran on one platform in the South and on another in the North. It would be harder now, but they're still capable of that.

If all politics are local, it's likely that some Southerners will vote for Democrats for local positions based on local issues if Democrat candidates can convince voters that they don't buy into the national platform.

34 posted on 07/24/2006 12:27:06 PM PDT by x
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To: napscoordinator
I just like have fun saying it because it really bug the real southerners.

Nah. We're not bugged. Not at all.

Since the Mason-Dixon Line was surveyed before the Revolutionary War, it surely doesn't match modern standards of accuracy. So I'll bet there are a few odd bits and pieces of Pennsylvania which actually are south of the line.

35 posted on 07/24/2006 12:33:02 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"Don't think it is promoting the turd as much as it is understanding that in a situation where you have a choice, the only choice might be dog food(Hillary) or cat food(Rudy or McLame"

That could never be the choice if people refuse to support, or promote them now, they would never run knowing that they can't get the nomination.

If people are stupid enough to let one of those two get nominated they can enjoy having Hildabeast get elected, because many are like myself, and refuse to ever vote for those choices.
36 posted on 07/24/2006 12:35:19 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

You make many good points...I just found this to be a particularly interesting as a friend and I were recently discussing whether we considered Maryland to be a Southern state. The state as a whole is thrown off by the DC suburbs, namely Montgomery County, but the panhandle, the Eastern Shore, and Southern Maryland are very Southern in my opinion. Baltimore and PG county are a lot like other heavily black areas of the South. Northern Maryland, the Baltimore suburbs, and the Annapolis area are a little less so, but they definitely retain some Southern elements - everyone I've met from around there has a fairly thick Southern accent. I think if Montgomery County and the DC influence were not present in Maryland, nobody would questions its status as a Southern state. Of course, I'm suspecting no Southerner cares about the opinion of a Yankee like me. Most Southerners consider Marlyand the North, most Northerners consider it the South, but it seems like most Marylanders (again, excluding the Montgomery County area) consider themselves to be Southerners.


37 posted on 07/24/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinorityRepublican

It's the heart of the summer and the ratmedia is bored. Deep in his heart, he knows the rat is on his way to losing again. This type of piece is good therapy for him.


38 posted on 07/24/2006 12:51:56 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

BTW, if you count the 11 states that seceded, there are 18 GOP and 4 Dem, not 19-3. Still, the point stands.


39 posted on 07/24/2006 12:53:31 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: southernnorthcarolina

That's cool. I watched it for quite awhile. I am humored very easily. lol.


40 posted on 07/24/2006 1:03:16 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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