Posted on 07/23/2006 9:36:42 AM PDT by tomzz
Thanks for your post. It's almost as much fun watching the monkey evolutionists fling their crap at the staring onlookers that resemble God.
IMHO, as I under stand it, in the animal kingdom any generic variations are ostracized and are either killed or don't usually get to mate. All of the animal shows I see on TV talk about this. A white wolf has problems. Even in humans we see this. Case in point, what if, and this is a big if, Down Syndrome is just a part of evolution. Abortion or sterilization is the norm for these special people. I don't believe basic animal/human instincts would allow evolution.
Conveniently left out of the article is the fact that the 'meat' didn't look that way when they broke open the bone.
They found the rock hard, dessicated chunk, and a female member of the team spent days rehydrating it, which made it look like it does now.
It wasn't fossilized (which is where the cells of the creature (bone, etc) are leached out and replaced by minerals which cement together into a rock hard 'cast' of the original.
That is the real difference between this find and other previous ones. They were all fossilized. This one wasn't, but looked just like the ones that are.
The media says they don't lie. Well, that is possible. They just don't put certain 'facts' in articles, and look how many are misled.
Great post -- what a classic tune!
Darwin's theory states life began on earth with single cell life forms which evolved into multi celled life forms, which evolved into higher life forms in including man. These all occurred by random mutation followed by natural selection without guidance from any intelligent entity like God.
A single mutation cannot move life much forwards. Even single cell organism with flagellum require 30 parts for the flagellum and 200 parts to the cilium. That is a one cell problem. Imagine the complexity of the eye and so forth. This example is from Behe's (1996), Darwin's Black Box.
Incidentally Dawkins called Behe a coward and an ignoramus, but admitted he couldn't answer the complexity problem. The other problem that you and anyone who believes in random mutations and natural selection is the difference between the Cambrian and pre-Cambrian periods in respect to the number and complexity of life.
Finally, Darwin himself admitted he had no good explanation as to how an eye evolved. He anticipated future records would prove this. After 150 years this has not happened, and more importantly, there should have been found many creatures in between present and past animals and organisms.
No one doubts that by selective breeding and other means we can favor one type of an organism over another. Unfortunately, it is estimated it takes 200 mutations for a flagellum. It is hard to imagine these would have occurred all at once, but that is the current position of evolutionists.
Finally, Francis Crick, discover of DNA and a Nobel Prize winner said "the probability of life originating at random is so utterly miniscule so as to make it absurd." Like many atheists he believes that extraterrestials sent living cells to earth. In this fashion he keeps his sanity and avoids the question.
I have not labeled you anything. If you chose to label yourself a "Darwinist" you do so with your own knowledge of your belief system. My point was people who believe they are ultra rational and scientific when they claim to believe in evolution have taken a leap to faith as much or more than Martin Luther ever did.
see my 65.
The facts are there. Which is more likely? Evolution by natural selection or an invisible man in the sky directing microbiology?
You will have to answer that for yourself.
If this is your strawman version of evolution, it is no wonder you can argue plausibly against it.
However, biologists are not as stupid as you appear to be. New species do not appear in one generation. Evolution is a change in the frequency of alleles in a population over time. There is never a point in which one generation is a different species from the previous species.
That isn't necessary, any more than it is necessary to decide for oneself whether the earth is flat.
Oh, I have, brother. I have.
That isn't necessary, any more than it is necessary to decide for oneself whether the earth is flat.
It is a matter of faith. You may think you have the final answer based on facts but your facts are insufficient to determine your conclusion; hence, you are accepting on faith what you claim to be "science."
Reality isn't hostage to the psychoses of individuals. Science deals with what we can know. It doeas with it very effectively and accumulates reliable knowledge.
What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.
Where you and I differ is you assume that Evolution including random generation of life, random mutation into desirable attributes and, finally, natural selection weeding out the unfit. This is a theory, hypothesis or assumption. It is not IMHO scientific fact. From my perspective if you assume it is scientific fact it is no different than a Christian assuming the virgin birth of Christ. Both require faith and cannot be disproved on the basis of facts and scientific inference.
I am not belittling your beliefs just noting their commonality with other beliefs.
"One who is an atheist or agnostic must by necessity believe in evolution."
You are incorrect. There are other possible world views that an atheist might adopt. For example, an atheist might be able to believe that the universe exists only in his own mind, and that it is generated as he lives. That sort of experiential world has been written about a number of times.
However, most atheists are people who generally accept the theory of evolution to be the mechanism of speciation. If physical evidence pointed in another direction, then they'd consider that, too.
The only explanation that atheists reject out of hand is the idea of a supernatural creator.
This is not a reasonable statement of evolution.
Get your darned velociraptor of my lawn! I'm sick and tired of cleaning up this crap!
"So are "Birth Defects" the driving force of evolution, or not? "
Huh? Uh, no. I had blond hair when I was young. My brother had red hair. My sister had black hair. That's genetic variation. Genetic variation drives evolution, along with the need to survive and reproduce in the existing environment.
You really should read an elementary level book on the theory of Evolution. I will help you not to appear ignorant in your messages. Ask the librarian at your local public library to recommend one for you.
Good points. "Natural Selection is basically an agency of stasis and not change, and that is a major problem for evolutionists. Natural selection weeds out anything an iota to the left or right of the norm for a given species as you note. In the case of humans, abortion and sterilization might be the solution to such cases in fairly recent times; prior to recent times the solution was probably witchcraft trials.
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