Posted on 07/19/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.
You can tell your soldiers your adorable daughters take after your wife. :-)
I do understand your emphasis on THINK, though. A teacher of mine told me this one. Only 5% of the people think; another 10% think that they think, and the remaining 85% would rather die than think. :)
There is a fascinating chapter in the Pope's book on "conscience." He concludes that knowledge of right and wrong is somehow imprinted in the soul so that people will recognize the truth when they hear it.
Very Good News!!!!
I emphasized the word "think" because I have watched, in my lifetime, a denomination that never was heavy on the intellect to start with go so far down the drain that it's nearly heresy to use your brain in worship (What?? I have to THINK about this stuff??).
Then I read all the Scripture that says that we are to love the Lord with all our hearts and all our souls and all our MINDS, and I wonder what is going on.
My fear is that a Church that cannot defend its doctrine intellectually and relies entirely on feelings is going to fade into oblivion.......or more likely be overtaken by what we Baptists used to call "the world."
Somehow the Evangelical church needs to revive the 'mind' part of loving the Lord, or we will not be able to defend the faith as it has been done in the past.
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
God has revealed His nature, and He has revealed right and wrong to every human being. The ones who don't see it are denying what has been 'made plain' to them.
I think this is most notable in the field of science, where their own pre-set philosophy blinds them to the obvious.
And all that ties in to what you said before about science's being the quest for knowledge. At this point in history, scientists only want knowledge that suits their agenda, and that's why we have the ethical problems we have right now.
Why was this post addressed to me with a demand that I comment? I believe life begins at conception. Surely I'm allowed to read without commenting.
When I 'talked about you,' I pinged you.
Care to provide proof of your claim, or are you imagining that I am 'talking about you?'
btw, I like the fun part of your post about Santa. It had nothing to do with anything at all, but it was almost as cute as your name, Page. :)
Did you actually read the thread before posting this? If so, did you miss the point that the question isn't so simple as you make it, since the definition of "conception" varies?
Well, what exactly is the importance of defining the moment of "life," without looking at what we mean by the word "life"...? What definition of "conception" is being used? If we define "potential to grow up" as being human, then let's all start the Monty Python "Ev'ry sperm is sacred" dance number!
Most amusing is when it's Bushbots and other liberals who complain about FR being less conservative!
You have an interesting concept of 'conservatism' if you think the lunatic is more conservative than your average 'Bushbot.'
He's so far to the left of THIS 'Bushbot' that I can't even see him on the horizon off the port side of the ship.
Just when I thought you were a serious freeper, you come up with a bunch of bunk like that.
I'm disappointed in you Gondring. I thought there was hope for you......
A couple of years ago, I had a very intense experience with a neighbor. Jesus promised the apostles that he would make them fishers of men, and I unexpectedly found myself on such an assignment. A 70 year old aethist who had had lots of UFO bad experiences was reading the Bible for the first time, and I became her mentor. I was trying to plan myself out and get her a spiritual advisor, and I also thought she should be baptised. I took her to the RC cathedral but she chose to be a Baptist, instead. Fine by me. As this unfolded, I witnessed much evidence of the battle for her soul, and it was awe-inspiring. Yhe mionister who baptised her told her that his children are Catholic. WE call it all the mystical body of Christ.
Our daughter is writing her PhD dissertation and Aquinas is one of the 'subjects.'
As she studies (raised Baptist her whole life), she is drawn to Catholicism, and I believe the mysticism is part of the pull.
As iconoclasts, the Baptists, IMO, have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
When you have time, let me know how your 'student' is doing now in the redemptive power of the risen Christ.
It is a very rich and full tradition. Read Woods, How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization. It is new, lots of good reviews, and solid imho. I was born and raised Catholic and then had the required liberal training at Stanford. But I found out about the depth and breadth of the tradition when I did a PHD at Catholic U. in Washington, DC. Most people, though, don't change churches.
As for myself, well...I have not advocated taxpayer funding of embryonic stem-cell research, as I am not knowledgeable enough to know whether it would be truly useful, and I typically shy away from Federal expenditures. However, there are valid Federal research expenditures, such as basic research (rather than development-phase), and we also must remember that restricted (private) funding means restricted access to results. Finally, restricted funding means restricted educational opportunities for our university students.
So perhaps Lunatic Fringe is as liberal as, or moreso, than Bushbots...I cannot say.
...to someone who hates the God of our Founding Fathers...
Have you been listening to David Barton without listening to his admission that his quotes were spurious? God of our Founding Fathers? How about...
Here it is that the religion of Deism is superior to the Christian Religion. It is free from all those invented and torturing articles that shock our reason or injure our humanity, and with which the Christian religion abounds. Its creed is pure, and sublimely simple. It believes in God, and there it rests. --Thomas Paine, "Of The Religion Of Deism Compared With The Christian Religion"
"But the greatest of all reformers of the depraved religion of his own country, was Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its lustre from the dross of his biographers, and as separable from that as the diamond from the dunghill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man. The establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent morality, and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems, invented by ultra-Christian sects (The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of the Hierarchy, etc.) is a most desirable object." -- Thomas Jefferson to W. Short, Oct. 31, 1819
"That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore." -- Thomas Jefferson to W. Short, Aug. 4, 1820
Et cetera.
Great point. They're rolling in funds now that Part D is rolling.
You see, Gondring, like anyone inculcated with the rationalization of post modern philosophy you have fallen prey to revisionist history, and distort the truth to back up your own distortion of reality.
Not surprising at all.
And in addition, if you scroll back, you will see a hatred from THE LUNATIC of even the Deist's God (I know my history, and I know what Deism is)........so your argument there falls flat too. If THE LUNATIC were debating Thomas Paine, he would call the Deist's God 'a fairy tale' as well (or 'silly' or a 'selfish jerk' or an 'SOB').
At any rate, you have yourself here argued for spending MY money to do research that to many Americans is morally reprehensible, and in this you are FAR to the left of most people you so derisively call 'Bushbots.'
And in this, despite your constant mislabling of very solid conservatives as 'liberals,' it is YOU who are the liberal.
I suspect that is true of many other areas as well, which is why I don't consider you Bush bashers as either conservative, nor honorable.
But thanks for the old college try. Too bad your college profs were leftists....
btw, I pinged THE LUNATIC against my better judgement, because his posts are so far beyond acceptable and his 'thoughts' are so demonic, that I know he will come back and make further mockery of the God of our Founding Fathers, and his own Creator.
And that sickens me.
That's the point. I am in increasingly rare agreement with him on this one, but where's that pen been all these years?
It accomplished something big for Republicans. It gives those desperate for any reason to continue to support him, although they know deep down that this presidency is becoming a disaster for conservatism and the Republic, an issue they can agree with and point to--and use to rationalize their vote in November.
If for no other reason, judges.
The movement of the entire country to the right because of conservative judges is already palpable.
There's a good reason the left hates President Bush. He's accomplishing conservative goals.
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