President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

[Lunatic Fringe]

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.

[Faith]

Fear of God and love of the right is true homeland security.

So true!!!

[Blackirish]

You're a clown

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Well if the best argument you have is a 5th grade insult...look in the mirror pal.

[ohioWfan]

ROFLOL!!!!

And you think that YOU win by calling Christians with values Islamists?

I didn't think I would ever see so many leftists on one thread on FR.

But here's the proof. Black Irish and his/her make up the ethics as it suits you 'values.'

Again..........enough of this for one day.

God be with you, and give you the moral clarity that you lack. I feel sorry for you. I truly do.

[do the dhue]

I can not wait for a reply.

[newfarm4000n]

I truly believe that embryonic stem cell research is a regrettable lesser of two evils. What you would characterize as saving lives I view as utilizing a new creation that would otherwise be thrown away in the garbage. Hey I am pro-life. I don't even qualify if the mother has been raped or it is incest ( is that the child's fault ?!). I think the competing considerations here are just too great . I respect your views but i think there needs to be a time where one has to be pragmatic especially since the embryos are being thrown in the trash anyway.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Care to address my point regarding how zygotes can divide into separate zygotes to form twins? Did you know that sometimes these divided zygotes can even REFORM into one? Also, two separately fertilized zygotes can merge into one. Does this mean that when gestation is completed that the one baby is actually TWO persons?

How can you reconcile this scientific fact with your religious philosophy that a zygote is an individual human life?

[Republican Wildcat]

Scientifically prove a negative? I see your rejection of education has come to fruition.

You are the one that stated it as a fact earlier in this thread. Quit trying to hide behind that facade.

[ohioWfan]

Straw dog argument.

The babies in the White House today were frozen embryos. There is no need to 'throw away in the garbage' these precious babies. There is a shortage of adoptable babies. All it will take is for more people to understand what's going on.

But as long as we have a leftist media, it's hard to get the word out.

Even people on this forum are confused about the facts.

[ohioWfan]

Your 'point' needs to be backed up by scientific proof, and not the ravings of a leftist lunatic.

And you have repeatedly stated that you have no obligation to prove anything you say.

Good night.

[newfarm4000n]

Just out of curiosity do you see ANY benefit of even researching embryonic stem cells ?

[Republican Wildcat]

Why should taxpayers help create a new industry of creating human life for the purpose of destroying it? This is nothing but a cash cow for the abortion and allied industries.

[Republican Wildcat]

There have been absolutely no benefits - zero, nada.

[BillyBoy]

>> WRONG! Government spending is needed in areas where private companies are unwilling or unable to invest capital. <<

If embroyic stem sell research was REALLY such an "amazing medical technique on the verge of a huge breakthrough for curing thousands of ailments such as Altztimer's, paralysis, etc.", you'd see private companies chomping at the bit to fund it so they'd be first in line to take credit for the eminent "cures". There are hundreds of companies with enough funds and clout to do so.

Private companies are "unwilling or unable to invest capital" in embroyic stem cell research because test results have shown very little potential and adult stem cell research is far more promising.

California just threw a couple billion into embroyic stem cell research a few monthes ago. Seen all them great medical cures popping up in California?

Throwing gobs of federal money at problems and hoping it makes them go away is a wasteful, reckless tax-and-spend policy that is not remotely "conservative".

[Lunatic Fringe]

Your 'point' needs to be backed up by scientific proof

Read a freakin' book... other than that Bible, I mean.

Zygotes divide into twins. I don't need to scientifically prove that. Now address the point or concede defeat.

[newfarm4000n]

Why should taxpayers help create a new industry of creating human life for the purpose of destroying it?

hey buddy I'm on your side. I thought the veto was great.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Well, it all comes down to the veto. If a liberal president is elected you can kiss civilization goodbye.

[silent_jonny]

Throwing gobs of federal money at problems and hoping it makes them go away is a wasteful, reckless tax-and-spend policy that is not remotely "conservative".

Excellent post.

[Just A Nobody]

Well AIDS has sky rocketed since the change. We can't even control sexual activity in our own high schools ... Innocent people are dying because of this administrations fairy tale beliefs.

So now promiscuous sexual activity is PRESIDENT BUSH'S FAULT?

Unbelievable!

[ohioWfan]

It's not a question of ANY benefit, newfarm.

There was 'benefit' to studying twins and mentally disabled people during the Third Reich in terms of the knowledge obtained.

There is a higher value than information derived, is there not?

And as far as I understand it, there has been more success with other stem cells than with embryonic stem cells anyway.

This has been turned into a political game, as some have said on this thread. But it has been done by the left, and not by the so-called 'religious right.'

Of course, the people making the accusation here are in agreement with the left on more than this particular subjec.....

[ohioWfan]

"subjecT"