Posted on 07/19/2006 7:26:18 AM PDT by Arcy
The FairTax was on the primary ballots in three Georgia counties yesterday. I have the results of the voting! Here you go.
Gwinnett County:
Total Votes: 35,755 Yes - 31,068. 86.9% No - 4,687 13.1%
Cobb County:
Total votes: 39,458 Yes - 33,598. 85.15% No - 5,860. 14.85%
Fayette County:
Total votes: 11,517 Yes - 9,828. 85.33% No - 1,689. 14.67%
According to Boortz the results of this vote will be personally handed to President Bush today via a Washington insider. The purpose of which is to convey the FACT that there is great support for this solution to current tax system and that this is a plan that can get the voters to the polls. Many of which called and e-mailed Boortz to say that they had no plans of voting yesterday until they learned that the Fair Tax was on the ballot.
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(Excerpt) Read more at boortz.com ...
Statistical sampling??? Why would they do that. The IRS has a database with access to every tax return. Their numbers should be very percise.
The illegal income they take in will still be illegal income. And don't start the nonsense about how the illegal economy already pays tax in the form of embedded tax when they buy now. I have shown time and again that that's a pale shadow of their "contribution" under the FairTax. We've been through all that a hundred times or more.
They pay taxes right now and will do so under the FairTax also. Basically nothing changes.
I've never done that. The embedds AFAIC are part of today's stuff. The embedds in my calculations are removed when the income tax is eliminated - thereby increasing the purchasing power of earned dollars.Yeah, show me an example of "the embedds" removed from imported products.Wanna see another example?
Why do you people continue the charade that everything we purchase would be affected by your fantasy across the board price reductions?...Never mind, I know why.
"They pay taxes right now and will do so under the FairTax also. Basically nothing changes."
Then is it your position that because "Basically nothing changes", the the income tax is just as good as the fair tax, or it the fair tax just as bad as the income tax ?
inquiring minds want to know...
As for which table, the broader one seemed like a good one as being more all-encompassing and requiring less categorization to use. The main interest is getting the breakdown into quintles so an individual taxpayer situation can be approximated rather than just a single aggregate figure. The quintiles give a bit better overview of different income/rate levels which should be sufficient for this sort on evaluation.
I'm not making a comparison between rates! When writing about the expansion of the black market, I'm not interested in comparing rates. It is the means of collection that is significant. Get it?
As several posters have pointed out to you, the effective FairTax rates are considerably lower than those at present so if anything evasion should reduce, not increase.
You can't have it both ways - either the FairTax is large enough to be perceived as a burden and motivate taxpayers to act, or it isn't. If it ISN'T, then you are wasting your time supporting the FairTax as the vehicle of change you wish to see. If it IS, than you need to face up to the real possibility that people may well act in ways that undermine your goals.
What that means is that using numbers like that doesn't give the result you hope for. It's not just a "one from column A", "one from column B" broad brush technique that you're attempting to give it.
I'd never think of trying to educate you in statistical analysis IAE so use whatever tickles you crankshaft, wrong or not.
You don't even understand what he said, do you? That's very clear from your post.
It's my position that they both continue to pay taxes under eiher system which is quite corrrect - they certainly should.
But that was the example covered in the seminar. You're not playing fair.
And that, there, is the tunnel into an alternate reality that you don't believe exists.
And certainly one CAN have it "both ways" as you so unclearly put it. The FairTax effective rates are lower for almost all taxpayers (meaning that there is more financial incentive to evade under the income tax) AND under the FairTax each taxpayer will get a printed receipt for each taxable purchase showing that the thing cost, the amount of the tax (23% t.i.) and the total. that will make taxpayers aware for probably the first time of what "their government" cost them for this box of Kleenex - they'll have to pull the long green out of their jeans to pay for it. That will certainly make many (if not most) very aware of spending and he cost of government where they are not now as much of the tax is hidden from them ... and many pay no tax at all.
Under the FairTax, everyone pays the tax when they buy taxable things. You need to reread some of my posts to you outlining the whys of the situation to you - there are several on this thread and I see no reason to keep repeating them. Better yet, go read the bill.
It's not "cherry picked" at all. If anything YOUR example is cherry picked in that it is completely unrepresentative of any particular level of taxpayer income but is some sort of vague, undefined composite.
We all pay at the cash register!
Got it???
I looked it up, and sure enough there it is, right there in the Websters special Pigdog edition:
"To Disagree":
1. The condition of being ignorant; the lack of knowledge in
general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state
of being uneducated or uninformed.
[1913 Webster]
Ignorance is the curse of God,
Knowledge the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.
--Shak.
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2. (Theol.) A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge
which one may acquire and it is his duty to have. --Book
of Common Prayer.
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Invincible ignorance (Theol.), ignorance beyond the
individual's control and for which, therefore, he is not
responsible before God.
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See post #515 for something even you should understand.
"Stupid is as stupid does." -- Forrest Gump.
from Dictionary.com
vested interest
n.
3. A special interest in protecting or promoting that which is to one's own personal advantage.
4. vested interests Those groups that seek to maintain or control an existing system or activity from which they derive private benefit.
Few if any on FR would be shallow enough to let your arrogance insult their intelligence.
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