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Fair Tax gets 86% of vote in Georgia! Results will be sent to President Bush.
Nealz Nuze ^ | July 19, 2006 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 07/19/2006 7:26:18 AM PDT by Arcy

The FairTax was on the primary ballots in three Georgia counties yesterday. I have the results of the voting! Here you go.

Gwinnett County:

Total Votes: 35,755 Yes - 31,068. 86.9% No - 4,687 13.1%

Cobb County:

Total votes: 39,458 Yes - 33,598. 85.15% No - 5,860. 14.85%

Fayette County:

Total votes: 11,517 Yes - 9,828. 85.33% No - 1,689. 14.67%

According to Boortz the results of this vote will be personally handed to President Bush today via a Washington insider. The purpose of which is to convey the FACT that there is great support for this solution to current tax system and that this is a plan that can get the voters to the polls. Many of which called and e-mailed Boortz to say that they had no plans of voting yesterday until they learned that the Fair Tax was on the ballot.

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(Excerpt) Read more at boortz.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
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To: pigdog
IRS do statistical things quite differently.

Statistical sampling??? Why would they do that. The IRS has a database with access to every tax return. Their numbers should be very percise.

701 posted on 07/24/2006 3:38:46 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Those in the illegal economy will contribute much more to the tax coffers than at present - and no one is talking about paying sales tax on their gross receipts (though that would be funny). The point where this presently untapped tax money is collected is at the same point where it is collected from you and I. When we buy taxable things at retail.

The illegal income they take in will still be illegal income. And don't start the nonsense about how the illegal economy already pays tax in the form of embedded tax when they buy now. I have shown time and again that that's a pale shadow of their "contribution" under the FairTax. We've been through all that a hundred times or more.

702 posted on 07/24/2006 3:44:15 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: RobFromGa

They pay taxes right now and will do so under the FairTax also. Basically nothing changes.


703 posted on 07/24/2006 3:46:00 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Principled
I've never done that. The embedds AFAIC are part of today's stuff. The embedds in my calculations are removed when the income tax is eliminated - thereby increasing the purchasing power of earned dollars.

Wanna see another example?

Yeah, show me an example of "the embedds" removed from imported products.

Why do you people continue the charade that everything we purchase would be affected by your fantasy across the board price reductions?...Never mind, I know why.

704 posted on 07/24/2006 3:54:07 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lack of logic)
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To: pigdog
Pigdog:

"They pay taxes right now and will do so under the FairTax also. Basically nothing changes."

Then is it your position that because "Basically nothing changes", the the income tax is just as good as the fair tax, or it the fair tax just as bad as the income tax ?

inquiring minds want to know...

705 posted on 07/24/2006 4:15:20 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Your Nightmare
Something wrong in that analysis. I'll have to look at it and get back to you later. The purchasing power under the FairTax will be greater than under the income tax.

As for which table, the broader one seemed like a good one as being more all-encompassing and requiring less categorization to use. The main interest is getting the breakdown into quintles so an individual taxpayer situation can be approximated rather than just a single aggregate figure. The quintiles give a bit better overview of different income/rate levels which should be sufficient for this sort on evaluation.

706 posted on 07/24/2006 5:25:31 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Oh, but you ARE mixing and matching since you quote a rate on the FairTax that is tax exclusive and you're unwilling to give a rate in today;'s tax system on a comparable basis.

I'm not making a comparison between rates! When writing about the expansion of the black market, I'm not interested in comparing rates. It is the means of collection that is significant. Get it?

As several posters have pointed out to you, the effective FairTax rates are considerably lower than those at present so if anything evasion should reduce, not increase.

You can't have it both ways - either the FairTax is large enough to be perceived as a burden and motivate taxpayers to act, or it isn't. If it ISN'T, then you are wasting your time supporting the FairTax as the vehicle of change you wish to see. If it IS, than you need to face up to the real possibility that people may well act in ways that undermine your goals.

707 posted on 07/24/2006 5:42:15 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Always Right
They aren't, but that's not under discussion. You're trying to mix statistical sets from the IRS and the BEA and they each use independent and direct statistical techniques and there is no normalization between them.

What that means is that using numbers like that doesn't give the result you hope for. It's not just a "one from column A", "one from column B" broad brush technique that you're attempting to give it.

I'd never think of trying to educate you in statistical analysis IAE so use whatever tickles you crankshaft, wrong or not.

708 posted on 07/24/2006 5:42:51 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lewislynn

You don't even understand what he said, do you? That's very clear from your post.


709 posted on 07/24/2006 5:44:52 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: xcamel

It's my position that they both continue to pay taxes under eiher system which is quite corrrect - they certainly should.


710 posted on 07/24/2006 5:46:26 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right
I really don't care about a cherry picked example.

But that was the example covered in the seminar. You're not playing fair.

711 posted on 07/24/2006 5:49:54 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pigdog
The point where this presently untapped tax money is collected is at the same point where it is collected from you and I. When we buy taxable things at retail.

And that, there, is the tunnel into an alternate reality that you don't believe exists.

712 posted on 07/24/2006 5:53:30 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
You still haven't defined what you mean by "the black market" nor posted any sort of definitive information about it so that no one - you included - has any idea what you're talking about.

And certainly one CAN have it "both ways" as you so unclearly put it. The FairTax effective rates are lower for almost all taxpayers (meaning that there is more financial incentive to evade under the income tax) AND under the FairTax each taxpayer will get a printed receipt for each taxable purchase showing that the thing cost, the amount of the tax (23% t.i.) and the total. that will make taxpayers aware for probably the first time of what "their government" cost them for this box of Kleenex - they'll have to pull the long green out of their jeans to pay for it. That will certainly make many (if not most) very aware of spending and he cost of government where they are not now as much of the tax is hidden from them ... and many pay no tax at all.

Under the FairTax, everyone pays the tax when they buy taxable things. You need to reread some of my posts to you outlining the whys of the situation to you - there are several on this thread and I see no reason to keep repeating them. Better yet, go read the bill.

713 posted on 07/24/2006 5:57:48 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right

It's not "cherry picked" at all. If anything YOUR example is cherry picked in that it is completely unrepresentative of any particular level of taxpayer income but is some sort of vague, undefined composite.


714 posted on 07/24/2006 6:03:01 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom
Perhaps for you I should simplify the explanation to:

We all pay at the cash register!

Got it???

715 posted on 07/24/2006 6:05:26 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom

I looked it up, and sure enough there it is, right there in the Websters special Pigdog edition:

"To Disagree":

1. The condition of being ignorant; the lack of knowledge in
general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state
of being uneducated or uninformed.
[1913 Webster]

Ignorance is the curse of God,
Knowledge the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.
--Shak.
[1913 Webster]

2. (Theol.) A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge
which one may acquire and it is his duty to have. --Book
of Common Prayer.
[1913 Webster]

Invincible ignorance (Theol.), ignorance beyond the
individual's control and for which, therefore, he is not
responsible before God.
[1913 Webster]


716 posted on 07/24/2006 6:09:42 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

See post #515 for something even you should understand.


717 posted on 07/24/2006 6:17:04 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: xcamel
And you forgot to look under your own page where it said:

"Stupid is as stupid does." -- Forrest Gump.

718 posted on 07/24/2006 6:18:52 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog; Principled; ancient_geezer
I admire your ability to stay sane, make a cogent statement and persevere in spite of nonsensical drivel from the vested interest IRS lovers..

from Dictionary.com

vested interest
n.

3. A special interest in protecting or promoting that which is to one's own personal advantage.
4. vested interests Those groups that seek to maintain or control an existing system or activity from which they derive private benefit.

719 posted on 07/24/2006 6:48:34 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! [That means I'm in Cobb County, GA])
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To: pigdog

Few if any on FR would be shallow enough to let your arrogance insult their intelligence.


720 posted on 07/24/2006 6:49:39 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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