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Darwin's Beagle ship replica plan [for his 200th birthday]
BBC News ^ | 19 July 2006 | Staff

Posted on 07/19/2006 3:55:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Plans are being drawn up to build a £3.3m working replica of the boat that took Charles Darwin around the world at Milford Haven in Pembrokeshire.

Fundraising for the project, which would mark the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth in 2009, is under way.

The aim is to built a seaworthy vessel identical to the HMS Beagle on the outside, but with a modern interior.

Darwin, who showed how natural selection could explain evolution, sailed on the Beagle between 1831-36.

Sitting opposite him on the expedition was mate and surveyor John Lort Stokes.

One of Stokes' descendents, Pembrokeshire farmer David Lort Philips, together with commercial yacht master Peter McGrath, have founded the Beagle Project Pembrokeshire.

Mr McGrath said the ship would look identical to the original Beagle on the outside but would have a 21st century interior with diesel auxiliary engines and generators.


Charles Darwin developed his early theories on board the Beagle

He said he hoped the fished vessel would inspire the scientists of the future and be used by researchers and scientists from across the world.

"Externally it will be exactly the same but we want it to do some serious scientific work and you would not want the crew living like they did in the 18th Century," he said.

The pair have spent three years putting their plans together and aim to raise the money through private and institutional investors along with public subscription.

"With all the Darwin 200 celebrations there is not one big project to focus the attention on," added Mr McGrath.

"I know the effect a square rigger has on young people - it's a jaw dropping site.

"But we do not want this just to be a replica - we want it to have genuine scientific benefits.

"We have started the fundraising. Construction will take 14 months and it has to be finished by early 2009.

"She will be built in Milford Haven and it will be her home. But what we want to do when she is built is visit the significant sights in Darwin's and the Beagle's life."

Researchers believe the original remains of the 27m-long Navy brig, that was sold for scrap in 1870, are embedded in a marsh near Potton Island in Essex.

Darwin, who published On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection in 1859, came fourth in a poll run by the BBC in 2002 to find the public's greatest Briton of all time.

His voyage on the Beagle allowed him to form the basis for much of his later work.


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To: Deadshot Drifter

Sharks were vegetarians before the Fall. Didn't you know that?


281 posted on 07/20/2006 2:17:34 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Thatcherite
I not only started the thread, but I write all the posts that purport to come from various "evos" as well as being several admin monitors.

I want a pony for Christmas.

282 posted on 07/20/2006 2:20:38 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: js1138
Sharks were vegetarians before the Fall. Didn't you know that?

It is astounding how many cartoon characters were based on Phil Silvers.

283 posted on 07/20/2006 2:22:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Whatever you say, Ted.

That's guano sting.

284 posted on 07/20/2006 2:29:09 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: freedumb2003

I forgot to mention that I also write the posts of several of the less well-informed creationists. This gives me a constant supply of easily batted down arguments, to make the atheistic cult of Darwinism look good while making creationism and Christianity look correspondingly bad. All grist for the mill of "The Conspiracy That Cares"


285 posted on 07/20/2006 2:33:29 AM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: Thatcherite
forgot to mention that I also write the posts of several of the less well-informed creationists.

Good thing, because there is no such thing as a "well informed creationist."

;)

286 posted on 07/20/2006 2:36:31 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: Just mythoughts
The numbers total up to the 'age' of man in the flesh NOT the age of this earth.

So I have you on record as saying Genesis is NOT to be taken literally.

287 posted on 07/20/2006 2:38:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: Thatcherite
"But presumably you do approve of people getting an eternity of torment for making a mistake about which Holy Work to believe?"

I believe. It is not my place to approve or disapprove of Gods will. If I'm right by believing, eternal life. If I'm wrong, dust.
If your right, dust. If your wrong, an eternity in hell.
It just makes more sense to believe than not to believe.
288 posted on 07/20/2006 4:04:20 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dimensio
I take it as axiomatic that the biblical texts were authored by the Creator as a means to communicate the bigger picture of where all things come from and where they are headed. They are not mystical or esoteric texts, nor do they invite superstition. In fact they are quite the opposite, declaring these things in ordinary language even a child can understand. The biblical texts, like God Himself, are natural.

Contained the the command to fill the earth and subdue it is the injunction to undertake science. The texts themselves are sufficient evidence of God's existence and intentions, just as your own words testify to some extent not only of your existence but also your intentions. Am I assuming my conclusion when I conclude from your words that you exist and have intentions?

But you are not convinced the biblical texts were authored by anyone other than a collection of human authors, who themselves were inspired by nothing other than their own imaginations as they reacted to the physical world about them. Actually, those kinds of authors are the ones who fabricate Darwinism with all its esoteric spillage. You're not alone in this assessment. For personal reasons you've chosen to reject what the biblical texts say, and what they say of themselves.

Why did ordinary human authors arrive at a creation taking six days? An almighty God could just poof everything into existence in an instant. That makes for stronger drama, and is more consistent with an Almighty being. At any rate, the texts say of themselves they were authored by the Creator Himself. I'll take their word for it. It is reasonable enough, just like intelligent design is reasonable enough and not mystical or superstitious.

289 posted on 07/20/2006 4:28:21 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why did ordinary human authors arrive at a creation taking six days?

There are thousands of creation stories.

290 posted on 07/20/2006 4:30:48 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: tomzz

"into account the tens of millions of people who have died on account of doctrines which were clearly based upon evolutionist ideas."

Tomzz, you have got to be joking! Wait, you were the Tyrannosaur Meat poster, you aren't joking. Death and destruction have followed religion all over this planet. You seriously need to take a history class. Or open your eyes and read your own bible. It is full of examples of religion sponsored murder of MILLIONS of people. Reason 349853453854863495 to keep religion out of public school.


291 posted on 07/20/2006 4:39:24 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Deadshot Drifter
According to the ISAF there were 4 fatal shark attacks last year. In the world.

That doesn't seem right. There were a couple in Australia alone

292 posted on 07/20/2006 4:43:40 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
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To: stands2reason

"He's not talking about the Bible, he's talking about Biblical texts.
Those are two totally different things.
(/sarcasm)"

I see some of the craziest things in these threads. I wonder if these arguments work on any of the people they try them on? Tomzz blaming the deaths of 10's of millions of people on evolutionists is the exact reason this crap needs to stay out of public schools and buried in some private Ernest Ansley Academy.


293 posted on 07/20/2006 4:44:26 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Or maybe your car thinks it's a mystical experience when you intervene to change the oil?"

Except that my car is real, and I am real. There is nothing mystical about incest. The mystical part is how Lot and his daughters could be the good guys.


294 posted on 07/20/2006 4:51:15 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: SaveUS
Except that my car is real, and I am real.

So is intelligent design, without which there would be no language, no science, no beagle, no Beagle. Just so you understand: Intelligent design is not a particularly religious, superstitious, mystical, or unscientific idea. Evolutionism, meanwhile, is primarily a faith based philosophy, not science, for it depends primarily upon unobserved extrapolations and unfalsifiable claims regarding millions of years during which no humans were present in the first place to do science.

295 posted on 07/20/2006 6:27:21 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138

Perhaps. But there is only one that matter of factly states the process with some historic detail. The others are fanciful fabrications perhaps drawn from the original account as handed down and preserved by the first humans and available to this day. Doubtless man is capable of fabrications. This, too, comports with the biblical texts which declare man was created in the image of God.


296 posted on 07/20/2006 6:32:05 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: SaveUS; longshadow
I see some of the craziest things in these threads. I wonder if these arguments work on any of the people they try them on? Tomzz blaming the deaths of 10's of millions of people on evolutionists ...

Pay no attention to prophets of false teachings. The anti-Darwin cult is leading you astray, because they want to keep you in darkness. I will now reveal the truthtm -- all those millions of deaths can be directly attributed to the increased usage of flush toilets.

Did Adam use a flush toilet? Did Noah? Did Abraham? Did Jesus? No!!! The flush toilet is a denial of all that is holy!!! It is a device from the bowels of Hell. We must end this menace now!

297 posted on 07/20/2006 6:37:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Did Adam use a flush toilet? Did Noah?

You mean Noah had to shovel his own #$%* in addition to all those pairs of animals? (He probably made his sons do most of the shoveling, I'm guessing.)

298 posted on 07/20/2006 6:57:50 AM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Fester, you are full of crap. You most likely know it, and you know that we know it. The bible is not science, and no matter how many times you make the claim, it still won't be. That makes no statement as to whether what it says is true or not (which is a different question), but it isn't science.


299 posted on 07/20/2006 7:04:20 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: PatrickHenry
I will now reveal the truth™ -- all those millions of deaths can be directly attributed to the increased usage of flush toilets.

And so begins a "Festival of Excretory Obsession"....

300 posted on 07/20/2006 7:05:46 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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