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Hogan's Heroes hurt PoWs
Herald Sun ^ | 13 July 2006 | Neil Wilson

Posted on 07/12/2006 10:08:10 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

COLONELS Klink and Hogan and Sgt Schultz of the sitcom Hogan's Heroes have done real PoWs of the Nazis no favours, a federal minister says.

(Australian) Veterans' Affairs Minister Bruce Billson said that thanks to Hollywood, those in German and Italian prison camps in World War II were wrongly perceived by many as having had a fairly easy time.

Mr Billson, 40, said after launching this year's Weary Dunlop Medical Research appeal that he watched repeats of Hogan's Heroes as a child.

But he had a totally different view as he now considered whether European PoWs should be given a one-off $25,000 compensation payment.

Survivors of Japanese captivity, who were often subjected to barbaric cruelty and slave labour, won the payment in 2001 after a long campaign.

It was extended to 14 Korean War prisoners or spouses last year.

But the Federal Government has so far refused to include World War II European PoWs, who were mainly RAAF and RAF airmen and Diggers captured in Crete, Greece and North Africa.

"I think it's likely Hogan's Heroes has done a bit of a disservice," Mr Billson said.

"Col. Klink and Sgt Schultz haven't done much good, really."

"It has added to a false impression that the only ones who really suffered were the prisoners of the Japanese.

"Images of jolly good old chaps, the PoW camp band, men getting Red Cross parcels, creates a different impression than the reality in Europe."

Mr Billson said many Australians suffered "hardship, horror and brutality".

"Conditions varied. It depended on the location, the time, and Red Cross were involved only when it suited the captors," he said.

"This interests me and I've asked for people to come to me with more specific information."

PoWs were sent on long, hazardous marches in the frozen 1944-45 winter as the Germans fled the Russians.

Others were forced to perform gruesome tasks cleaning up bomb-ravaged cities.

Some British PoWs were held at the notorious Auschwitz concentration camp.

And four Australians were among 50 PoWs murdered by the Gestapo after they escaped from Stalag Luft III.

Their story was told in Paul Brickhill's book The Great Escape, which became a hit movie of the same name in 1963.

It is believed Mr Billson will also consider a Canadian report on European PoWs.

The RSL and Ex-PoW Association said the $25,000 payment was one of their six budget priorities this year.

Ex-PoW Association national secretary Cyril Gilbert said he liked watching Hogan's Heroes.

But Mr Gilbert said it was no joke that 862 surviving European PoWs and their 1278 widows had not been compensated. More were dying every month.

Past Veterans' Affairs ministers had used the lower death rate of men in Europe compared with that of prisoners of the Japanese as a reason to stall on compensation.

"They've been like Sgt Schultz: 'I know nothing, I know nothing'," Mr Gilbert said.

"The European PoWs have been discriminated against plainly, and that has split the veterans' community.

"In my opinion, the majority of European PoWs suffered more than those who were in Singapore for the war.

"Germans abided by the Geneva Convention only when they wanted to -- not too often."

Mr Gilbert and RSL national president Maj-Gen Bill Crews welcomed the fresh approach by Mr Billson.

"Hogan's Heroes created a very wrong impression of imprisonment under the Germans, like it was some holiday camp," Maj-Gen Crews said.

"We believe all those men suffered significantly at different times."

Mr Gilbert said it would be as foolish to judge German stalags by Hogan's Heroes as it would be to judge Japanese slave labour by the Bridge on the River Kwai.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; hogansheroes; hollywood; italy; mediabias; pows; veterans; workoffiction; wwii
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To: dfwgator
"I think the films "Stalag 17" and "The Great Escape" had more to do with it."

One of the best movies ever made!
41 posted on 07/12/2006 10:32:43 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Oh good grief. It was a Hollywood fantasy comedy. Even when Hollywood tries to depict war realistically (which they weren't here) they get a lot wrong. Who would take Hogan's Heroes seriously?. But then, I suppose someone thought the Beverly Hillbillies or Gilligan's Island were realistic. Sheesh.

BTW, we recently bought the DVD set for the first two seasons. It's still really funny.

42 posted on 07/12/2006 10:33:15 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CFC__VRWC
It's like saying that science is harmed when the Professor on Gilligan's Island builds a nuclear reactor out of the guts of the transistor radio and couple of coconut shells.

Feh. Chuck Norris could make one out of just dirt.

43 posted on 07/12/2006 10:33:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Aussie Dasher

It made some large coin for Der Bingle.


44 posted on 07/12/2006 10:33:48 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Aussie Dasher
It would be of interest to hear from some who may have some experience with this via an Uncle, Father or other friend or relative.

I knew one man who was a WWII POW in Germany. He said that the Germans supplied some fairly advance math textbooks to them, as language is not so problematic with Math. Many of the POW's were pilots or navigators, so they took the books and taught classes on Math to those who were interested. He came out with a very high level of math knowledge during his time spent there.

He also commented that their food was no worse then the 'crap that the krauts ate', to quote him verbatim. All in all I never heard him complain of poor treatment, but then he did not discuss this aspect of his life very much.

45 posted on 07/12/2006 10:34:02 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Nothing says "SLUTT", like a tattoo on the BUTT)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"HOMEEEEER!"


46 posted on 07/12/2006 10:34:34 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein(the moon is a harsh mistress))
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To: LIConFem
One of the best movies ever made!

Yep, it's one of those movies that if it is showing on TV, I drop what I'm doing and watch it. Remember the 50!

47 posted on 07/12/2006 10:36:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: American in Singapore

Don't forget LeBeau - he escaped the Nazi's as well.


48 posted on 07/12/2006 10:37:50 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: Lockbar
Bob Crain got alot out of the show. Gave him the opportunity to "pick-up" women all over the place, make home made porn, and get his brains bashed in.

Screw you.

49 posted on 07/12/2006 10:38:07 AM PDT by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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To: dfwgator
Chuck Norris could make one out of just dirt.

Oh Please.

He never would have gotten the chance. Chuck would have had The Minnow fixed in a day and still have time to doodle Ginger, Mary Anne and just cause he is a gentlemen, Mrs. Howell.

50 posted on 07/12/2006 10:38:32 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Nothing says "SLUTT", like a tattoo on the BUTT)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Uhhhh...SOMEBODY tell this guy that Hogan's Heroes was not a documentary.


51 posted on 07/12/2006 10:38:54 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Egon
Let me guess - delivering pizzas is not a sure-fire way to meet dozens of bored, gorgeous women?
52 posted on 07/12/2006 10:39:05 AM PDT by A. Goodwin
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To: dfwgator
I have it on DVD. I'm not generally a fan of the genre (was movies), but that movie is positively riveting! (not to mention FUNNY at times -- McQueen and Garner have some wonderful lines).
53 posted on 07/12/2006 10:39:16 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: llevrok; kinghorse

He should have stuck to her and the beers and stayed away from the porn making in the hotel rooms.


54 posted on 07/12/2006 10:39:57 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Aussie Dasher
For G-d's sake.

I mean, can we reach back to a show discontinued 40 years ago, and maybe in syndication another 10 years after that?

30-40 years is too long to wait before criticizing a show.

55 posted on 07/12/2006 10:40:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: dfwgator

Why? Did his accent give him away? ;-)


56 posted on 07/12/2006 10:41:45 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Chi-townChief

57 posted on 07/12/2006 10:42:25 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Michael.SF.

My late brother in law, an infantry captain, was captured during the Battle of the Bulge. He later escaped, and didn't want to say much about it. He did say, though, that even though his dog tags identified him as a Jew, the Wehrmacht did not treat him differently than other allied POWs.


58 posted on 07/12/2006 10:42:33 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: LIConFem

One of these times that plane Garner is flying is going to make it!

It's like the Dirty Dozen, just once I want to see Jim Brown make it to that truck.


59 posted on 07/12/2006 10:43:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: llevrok

You mean there wasn't a tribe called the Wheretheheckarewees?


60 posted on 07/12/2006 10:43:32 AM PDT by gate2wire
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