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Hogan's Heroes hurt PoWs
Herald Sun ^ | 13 July 2006 | Neil Wilson

Posted on 07/12/2006 10:08:10 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

COLONELS Klink and Hogan and Sgt Schultz of the sitcom Hogan's Heroes have done real PoWs of the Nazis no favours, a federal minister says.

(Australian) Veterans' Affairs Minister Bruce Billson said that thanks to Hollywood, those in German and Italian prison camps in World War II were wrongly perceived by many as having had a fairly easy time.

Mr Billson, 40, said after launching this year's Weary Dunlop Medical Research appeal that he watched repeats of Hogan's Heroes as a child.

But he had a totally different view as he now considered whether European PoWs should be given a one-off $25,000 compensation payment.

Survivors of Japanese captivity, who were often subjected to barbaric cruelty and slave labour, won the payment in 2001 after a long campaign.

It was extended to 14 Korean War prisoners or spouses last year.

But the Federal Government has so far refused to include World War II European PoWs, who were mainly RAAF and RAF airmen and Diggers captured in Crete, Greece and North Africa.

"I think it's likely Hogan's Heroes has done a bit of a disservice," Mr Billson said.

"Col. Klink and Sgt Schultz haven't done much good, really."

"It has added to a false impression that the only ones who really suffered were the prisoners of the Japanese.

"Images of jolly good old chaps, the PoW camp band, men getting Red Cross parcels, creates a different impression than the reality in Europe."

Mr Billson said many Australians suffered "hardship, horror and brutality".

"Conditions varied. It depended on the location, the time, and Red Cross were involved only when it suited the captors," he said.

"This interests me and I've asked for people to come to me with more specific information."

PoWs were sent on long, hazardous marches in the frozen 1944-45 winter as the Germans fled the Russians.

Others were forced to perform gruesome tasks cleaning up bomb-ravaged cities.

Some British PoWs were held at the notorious Auschwitz concentration camp.

And four Australians were among 50 PoWs murdered by the Gestapo after they escaped from Stalag Luft III.

Their story was told in Paul Brickhill's book The Great Escape, which became a hit movie of the same name in 1963.

It is believed Mr Billson will also consider a Canadian report on European PoWs.

The RSL and Ex-PoW Association said the $25,000 payment was one of their six budget priorities this year.

Ex-PoW Association national secretary Cyril Gilbert said he liked watching Hogan's Heroes.

But Mr Gilbert said it was no joke that 862 surviving European PoWs and their 1278 widows had not been compensated. More were dying every month.

Past Veterans' Affairs ministers had used the lower death rate of men in Europe compared with that of prisoners of the Japanese as a reason to stall on compensation.

"They've been like Sgt Schultz: 'I know nothing, I know nothing'," Mr Gilbert said.

"The European PoWs have been discriminated against plainly, and that has split the veterans' community.

"In my opinion, the majority of European PoWs suffered more than those who were in Singapore for the war.

"Germans abided by the Geneva Convention only when they wanted to -- not too often."

Mr Gilbert and RSL national president Maj-Gen Bill Crews welcomed the fresh approach by Mr Billson.

"Hogan's Heroes created a very wrong impression of imprisonment under the Germans, like it was some holiday camp," Maj-Gen Crews said.

"We believe all those men suffered significantly at different times."

Mr Gilbert said it would be as foolish to judge German stalags by Hogan's Heroes as it would be to judge Japanese slave labour by the Bridge on the River Kwai.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; hogansheroes; hollywood; italy; mediabias; pows; veterans; workoffiction; wwii
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To: Restorer
Russian, Polish and other subhuman POWs were a different story entirely.

I guess being a slav in a German camp would be about on par with being a allied guest of the emporer. Maybe worse.

21 posted on 07/12/2006 10:20:47 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: All

I don't think the Minister was referring to FReepers.

Tell me again, how close did Gore come in 2000?


22 posted on 07/12/2006 10:21:03 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Bob Crain got alot out of the show. Gave him the opportunity to "pick-up" women all over the place, make home made porn, and get his brains bashed in.
23 posted on 07/12/2006 10:21:32 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

What part of FICTION do folks not seem to understand?


24 posted on 07/12/2006 10:21:32 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: gate2wire
Right. We took this seriously...

Bob Crane did. He married her in real life.

25 posted on 07/12/2006 10:23:03 AM PDT by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

He just gets to it, oh I don't know, say 40 years too late?

I can't see HH driving much opinion or public attitude, given it had little such effect when it was famously running on CBS (I know I never missed an episode). I do remember TV Guide actually running cautionary articles just before the series premiered, raising exactly the point this article does.

But when the series came out, and it was clearly meant as social satire masked as a war comedy, all that went by the board. And nobody took it seriously, everyone kicked back and laughed their tucheses off.


26 posted on 07/12/2006 10:23:07 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: gate2wire

I understand Bob took that seriously.


27 posted on 07/12/2006 10:23:29 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Aussie Dasher
Oh please. In the TV show, Hogan and his men had a fully equipped war room under their barracks, complete with state of the art (for the time) radios and other electronics. They had nicely finished escape tunnels that could take them to any point in Germany, that would have taken hundreds of man-years to construct. And that's just scratching the surface.

I don't take anything away from ther men who spent time in the German POW camps, but Hogan's Heroes was so far removed from reality that you would have to be pretty stupid to believe this was how life really was for them, and to say that the show does POWs a disservice is just insulting. It's like saying that science is harmed when the Professor on Gilligan's Island builds a nuclear reactor out of the guts of the transistor radio and couple of coconut shells.

28 posted on 07/12/2006 10:23:34 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: American in Singapore
Klink, Berkhalder (sp), and Schultz were all played by Jews

Frank De Kova played Wild Eagle on F Troop. Hardly an indian.

When acters need work, they work.

29 posted on 07/12/2006 10:25:23 AM PDT by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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To: Egon
- Real American women don't generally have a pool boy, let alone have sex with him on the deck.

Wellll, damn!! So much for the career change I was planning!!
30 posted on 07/12/2006 10:25:34 AM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Restorer

Conditions at Luftwaffe camps, especially for Allied air crews, was light years better than those at camps run by the SS.


31 posted on 07/12/2006 10:25:58 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: gate2wire

The funniest thing about Hogan's Heroes is that in a few episodes they had Kinchloe disguised in a German Uniform, as if that wouldn't create any suspicion.


32 posted on 07/12/2006 10:26:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: avg_freeper
"Knight Rider" taught me that one can carry on an intelligent conversation with a Trans Am.

-Eric

33 posted on 07/12/2006 10:28:49 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: llevrok

Actually, Werner Klemperer insisted that Klink never get the last word, come up with a successful plot or harm anyone. He wouldn't play the part otherwise.

A truly good man, Werner, with an utterly brilliant father (Otto), who conducted orchestras to performances that are still standard for a number of great classical works.


34 posted on 07/12/2006 10:29:28 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Vaquero

LOL. Beat me to it!


35 posted on 07/12/2006 10:29:32 AM PDT by groover (Alter ego of an alter ego.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I don't know about Hogan's Heroes but one TV series purporting to be about Vietnam--China Beach--was a total farce. It depicted beautiful nurses and soldiers living in plush barracks in DaNang. It wasn't supposed to be a comedy but it definitely was a farce.
36 posted on 07/12/2006 10:29:35 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Skooz

And German POWs who were in this country had it pretty darned good as well.


37 posted on 07/12/2006 10:30:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CFC__VRWC
"...when the Professor on Gilligan's Island builds a nuclear reactor out of the guts of the transistor radio and couple of coconut shells..."

Oh, Christ. Please don't tell me he really didn't do that.

I have spent the last 30 years of my life trying to replicate that feat, and now you tell me it is no more real science than cold fusion...

38 posted on 07/12/2006 10:30:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (John Murtha: Out of touch, Out of His Mind. Lets make him Out of Congress! DIANA IREY FOR CONGRESS!)
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To: Restorer
Russian, Polish and other subhuman POWs were a different story entirely.

Worst of all for Soviet POWs was that for the few that survived the war, their reward was to be sent to Siberia, if not killed, by Stalin, who considered Soviet POWs as traitors.

39 posted on 07/12/2006 10:32:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
And German POWs who were in this country had it pretty darned good as well.

Stepehn Ambrose said it best (paraphrase): "If you were a German male born between 1900 and 1925, the best place for you to spend 1942-1945 was in an American prison camp."

40 posted on 07/12/2006 10:32:38 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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