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Pinkerton Leaves Liberals At Loss for Words on Missile Defense
Fox News Watch/Fox & Friends Weekend/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 07/09/2006 11:18:09 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

July 9, 2006 - 14:12

Twice in less than 24 hours, conservative columnist Jim Pinkerton left liberal talking-head rivals at a loss for words on the issue of missile defense.

Pinkerton's first victim was Neal Gabler, on last evening's Fox News Watch. In the context of the North Korean missile tests, liberal Gabler flatly stated: "Missile defense does not work. That is what we have learned." Shot back Pinkerton: "The Japanese believe in it. That's why they're building it right now." Gabler's silence was golden.

Then this morning, Pinkerton made his regular appearance with Ellen Ratner in their 'Long & the Short of It' segment of Fox & Friends Weekend. Fans of the duo should be advised that the segment has been moved from Saturday to Sunday morning, at about 7:15 AM. The good news is that the pair are now appearing during two segments, an expansion of the short slot they had previously been accorded.

Could there be some liberal talking points in circulation on missile defense? Because, sure enough, Ellen trotted out the same line as Gabler: "Missile defense doesn't work."

Pinkerton had his retort ready: "Then why are Israel and Japan building it?"

Ratner ventured a response: "People can build it, it doesn't mean that it's working."

Pinkerton: "They think it's going to work, who knows more - them or you?"

This time, the Ratner's only reply was nervous laughter.

Score it Pinkerton 2, skeptical liberals 0.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allliberalsareidiots; ellenratner; fnc; foxfriends; foxnewswatch; idiotwatch; israel; japan; jimpinkerton; missiledefense; nealgabler; pinkerton; religionofgodless; sdi
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To: Darth Reagan

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41 posted on 07/09/2006 1:26:46 PM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: American Infidel
I still cannot figure out why the democrats are so adamantly opposed to a missile defense shield.....

As best I can deduce from the liberal knuckleheads that I am acquainted with, their opposition to a missile defense is the cost and that it won't be 100% effective 100% of the time. Also it is money that could be spent on some social program like cradle to grave healthcare and to buy more votes for the democRATS. It's little more than that.

Sure, getting a missile defense system operational is going to be very expensive. It isn't going to be 100% all the time, and there will then be an effort to defeat the effectiveness of it. Military secrets /technology are the most costly and fleeting of all.

42 posted on 07/09/2006 1:38:13 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: American Infidel
Good afternoon.

While we were driving one day I had a close friend tell me that we couldn't stop all the missiles coming in if the Soviets attacked, and he didn't want he and his children to live in the world that would be left.

I told him the missiles might miss me and that he should reach behind the seat, grab my pistol right then and shoot himself, but to not try to take away my chance of surviving. He was horrified.

I miss my friend, but we just don't see things the same way.

Michael Frazier
43 posted on 07/09/2006 1:43:04 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: American Infidel

RATs are so shallow, I think that SDI for them is nothing more than the link to Pres. Reagan, whom they hated and now to Pres. Bush whom they also hate, nothing more. They operate on pure hysteria/emotions. They are shallow and dangerous.


44 posted on 07/09/2006 1:48:06 PM PDT by brushcop (Lt. Harris, SFC Salie, CPL Long, SPC Hornbeck, B-Co, 2/69 3ID We will remember you always.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Facts mean NOTHING to liberals, never have, never will.

Reagan was wrong for standing up to the evil empire rather than appeasing them as the leftists demanded!

Result: Soviet Empire no longer exits.

There are NO WMD's in IRAQ, period. No matter HOW MANY WMD's have been found already and no matter HOW many are found in the FUTURE, the die is cast. THERE ARE NO WMD's in IRAQ!!

No matter how many successful test HITS we have had and no matter IF WE SHOOT down an incoming NUKE, the die is cast in the leftists' minds.

Star Wars does NOT WORK!

45 posted on 07/09/2006 1:57:27 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Mr.Smorch

Yeah, that's exactly what is going on.


46 posted on 07/09/2006 2:01:20 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: FredZarguna

This may be the funniest post on FR EVER!


47 posted on 07/09/2006 2:45:18 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of Viking kittens.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks for keeping me informed.


48 posted on 07/09/2006 2:49:15 PM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: edsheppa
The reason is that an effective missile defense significantly reduces the leverage other countries have on US policy.

I had a liberal professor in college who used to make the point often, calling it a "licence to wage war with no consequence".

She was totally against it (and she didn't hide her anti-americanism) arguing not that it would not work, but that if it did work, the US would not have any incentive to find diplomatic solutions or not to wage war at any time since it would not have to worry about retaliation anymore.

49 posted on 07/09/2006 2:51:15 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

I'm here all week.


50 posted on 07/09/2006 2:52:55 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The US Constitution: not perfect, but better than what we have now.)
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To: YaYa123
"Media Writer Neal Gabler" -- the man with the almost nonexistent cv. Check out this piece of "media writing" he did on Karl Rove back in '04. It's in that esteemed liberal blog "Truthout". Maybe he's the source for the Rove is Indicted scoop.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102504E.shtml

Seriously, do skim the article. His prose is pure bombast and his argumentatitive skills laughable. Congress should pass a law prohibiting him from marrying straight.

51 posted on 07/09/2006 3:04:02 PM PDT by rmgatto
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To: rmgatto

thanks for the link here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102504E.shtml

You are soooooooooooo right!! Gabler is so full of venom, so full of hate, he reads like a mental patient ranting that his strait jacket is too tight!

"Rovism" Gabler calls it. Ever heard that word anywhere else? Me either. I guess it didn't catch on.....which is why Gabler is confined to the Norman Lear School of Spin....he can't even come up with a catchy insult.


52 posted on 07/09/2006 3:13:55 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Liberals hate SDI because President Reagan proposed it and refused to back down on it. Gorbachev knew the Cold War was over and the USSR had lost. "Cowboy" Reagan has been proven right and the liberals can't admit it.

Besides, according to the libs Russia no longer has missiles pointed at us. Their lying, rapist, draft-dodging, poll pimp told us so.

53 posted on 07/09/2006 3:18:47 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Missle defense doesn't work? Well then where is the former Soviet Union? It brought them down.


54 posted on 07/09/2006 3:26:18 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion....islam)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Read my tag line it exposes some of them.


55 posted on 07/09/2006 3:31:18 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
The computer technology available then made it iffy. That is not the case now, processor speed makes accurately targeting a missile possible.

Common myth. The deployed systems use circa 1990 processors. Computer processors are much faster than the physics you can drive with normal molecular materials. The guidance package can impact targets all day long if the vehicle is up to the task.

The limiting factor is the ability to reliably fabricate exotic materials with extreme precision. Most of the failures to date have been related to new rocket motor designs; the guidance package itself has been successfully deployed in other weapon systems for some time (the basic system design and software capability tends to get heavily reused across weapon systems).

The problem has never been finding the target, but making a high-performance rocket that can be steered with sufficient precision at the velocities desired. The error bound on most mechanical designs tend to expand rather quickly at high Mach numbers. (The laser ring gyros that are the core of modern JDAMs were invented in the 1960s to solve mechanical precision degradation under extremely high acceleration in the ABM system designs back then.)

56 posted on 07/09/2006 3:45:58 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: American Infidel

Originally (going back to the late '60s and the Nike missiles) effective missile defense meant that we didn't have to bend over for the Commies. The communists and fellow-travelers in the media and the Democratic Party pushed the ABM treaty, and opposed President Reagan's later Strategic Defense Initiative because these missile defense pulled some of the teeth from the communist world. These people had and have no interest in defending an economically, politically, and philosophically free America; their interest is in pushing communism. Such interest didn't end with the fall of the USSR.


57 posted on 07/09/2006 3:52:35 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: American Infidel
"I still cannot figure out why the democrats are so adamantly opposed to a missle defense shield, and none of my liberal acquaintences are able to give me an answer, outside of a vague sense of: "well the right wing supports it, so it must be bad". It's almost as if the talking points on this issue haven't fully made the rounds. Being against a missle defense shield is like being against having a lock on your door under the premise that this will somehow "antagonize" a criminal and make him want to break into your house. I don't get it with these people."

Leftists oppose our missile defense for a variety of reasons. For one thing, they *reactively* oppose all of President Bush's current plans. For another, they hated everything about President Reagan.

And leftists don't want the U.S. to put North Korea into a box with our missile defenses; instead, the Left wants us to appease North Korea with cash.

In short, the Left wants the U.S. appeasing and surrendering. It should come as no surprise that such views put them at odds with Reagan and Bush.

58 posted on 07/09/2006 3:53:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Democrats and other anti-Americans have held all along that a missile defense system is not worth the cost because it will not work 100 percent of the time. Of course no weapons system works 100 percent of the time, nor does it need to.

Luck and other factors always plays a part. Let's imagine that North Korea fired off 5 nuke missiles toward the U.S. Our missile defense system fires 10 missiles back. If even 50 percent work, at 2-1 odds they would intercepts all but say, one.

Out of 5 North Korean missiles only 3 might be expected to work because North Korean missiles are not 100 percent perfect either.

Question: Would you rather be hit by, one missile or three? And who's to say that the one North Korean missile that gets through is one of the three that works?


59 posted on 07/09/2006 4:40:40 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: FredZarguna

California is like a bowl of Granola. Those that are fruits and nuts are flakes.


60 posted on 07/09/2006 5:12:33 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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