China Deploys Nuclear Submarines...Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike(Thank you Clinton)

JoongAng Ilbo ^ | 07/07/06

[TigerLikesRooster]

/begin my translation

China Deploys Nuclear Submarines...Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike

Hong Kong's Xin-bao reported on July 7th that China has deployed next-generation nuclear submarines and is capable of second nuclear counterstrike.

German military publication 'International Navy' reported that China officially deployed recently-developed Type 093 and 094 nuclear submarines, and conducted training exercises. They are in combat-deployment now, according to the publication.

It said that Type 094, Tang-class, is the improved version of Xia-class nuclear submarine, with 10,000-ton displacement, and can carry 16 Julang-2 SLBM's which have the range of 10,000 km. Each Julang-2 can have three nuclear-warheads, which means that a single Type 094 submarine can strike 48 targets simultaneously.

Type 094 has fourth-generation nuclear reactor and is equipped with noise-suppression feature and precision sonar capability. It has superior stealth, mobility, and survivability, which is rated as comparable to Ohio-class submarine of U.S.

Type 093 is an attack submarine with 7,150 ton displacement , whose design is based on Han-class submarine.

If their deployment is successful, Chinese nuclear capability will expand from land-based nukes to second nuclear counterstrike, according to this publication.

People's Daily, Chinese official communist party paper, featured an article on its Internet site about the submarines on July 6th, which is a de-facto confirmation of their deployment.

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[doc]

How about our unfair trade alliance with China? Toys for missiles program!

[Jeff Head]

That pic is not of a Type 094. The ships in the background look to be US, the one on the right perhaps an AEGIS cruiser. The sub on the surface looks like one of ours.

If the contention is that the Type 094 took the picture, I discount that as well. First. it would never be found anywhere near US vessels. Too great a risk, since the ChiComms have only one, maybe two at this stage and their role is to hide in the safest, deepest, darkest place they can find to avoid detection. Second, we would have found it before it ever got that close.

Many believe that the Type 094 looks like this:

It surely has that "humped" back which is absent in the picture shown, and it would be a much larger vessel than the one shown.

Though no known/public pictures of the beast exist yet. I am sure we have sat photos and other photos taken from our own assetts...but they are closely held. You can be sure whenever one of them ventures out anywhere, one of our attacks subs is close at hand.

Whatever the case, the Chicomms are embarked on a massive naval buildup and they have jumped several generations in terms of the capability and quality, and modernization of their fleet in the last ten years.

[Eagles6]

It was Bernie Schwartz(sp?) not Bernie Sanders. Everything else is true.

[Jeff Head]

BTW, this is a potential pic of their two new Type 093 attack subs in Chinese coastal waters.

Supposedly roughly equivalent of Russian Victor IIIs or the initial batch of USN LA class boats. Still well behind our own newer boats (ADCAP LA, Seawolf, and Virginia), but a huge leap opver their earlier SSNs.

[Magnum44]

Like many out there, you've given too much credibility to the reporting done on the PRC/Clinton scandal of the 90's. Loral does not make RLG,s or even rockets. They build commercial satellites and sell an integrated launch package, meaning they go out and buy the launcher and guarantee the satellite will be put on orbit for the customer.

Let me say I am a conservative, retired officer, and Reagan, Bush supporter (dont agree with illegal amnesty) before I continue, because I don't appreciate the vitriolic response I get when I talk about this, ok?

Truth is Loral, or rather a few individuals at Loral, like many other companies during the Clinton admin, violated some export control rules when investigating the failure of a launch of a Loral satellite on a Long March they had legally contracted with the PRC. (This was permitted then because Clinton had moved control of this technology from defense to state department, something those of us in defense would have disagreed with).

The violation was the passing of a report that explained some design issues with the Long March guidance system that led to the failure to the PRC. We did not give them new guidance systems. This was indeed a violation, and the company was properly fined.

Boeing was also fined for disclosures it made during this time. And if you recall, several of the computer manufacturers were also fined or criticized for selling the PRC Silicon Graphics machines, etc.

Loral became a rallying point for conservatives in congress to blame Clinton for the failure to protect this technology. Bernie SCHWARTZ, not Sanders, who I have no love for as a democratic supporter, became a symbol for the Republicans (again, my party) to attack.

Bernie deserved some of this, the company deserved the fine due to the export control failure, as did Boeing and others, and the export control of this technology needed to be put back under defense. Blame Clinton for not caring about our national defense, and go after individuals for violating rules.

But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

I just get tired of hearing the "LORAL gave it away" mantra. Its uneducated talking points from the Cox report that, as stated above, was an indictment of the Clinton administration policy failure.

And finally, no I don't work at Loral. So no flaming please.

[Jeff Head]

But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

Amen, they are seriously embarked on a military modernization and buildup program and they have the money now pouring in to accomplish it. They also have very bright engineers and use them, along with whatever trade advantages and intelligence advantages they can muster to that end...and they are making significant strides.

[Jeff Head]

But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

Amen, they are seriously embarked on a military modernization and buildup program and they have the money now pouring in to accomplish it. They also have very bright engineers and use them, along with whatever trade advantages and intelligence advantages they can muster to that end...and they are making significant strides.

We dare not take them for granted or not view them seriously. With all the new naval and other branch deployments to WESTPAC< it is clear the Bush administration understands this.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

If this is true, the timing is perfect.

The news had a story last night about how the Navy has agreed not to use certain types of sonar -- the type used to locate submarines -- because it may disturb the poor effing whales. All brought to you by some animal-rights group.

I hate the left and all their smokescreen cover organizations.

[jpsb]

"Whose paying for Chinese nukes?
Answer: American/EU consumer purchasing cheap asian imports. "

Keep shopping at wal-mart folks.

[Scarchin]

It amazes me how my supposedly educated liberal friends know NOTHING about Klintoon's treachery with the Chinese. After dealing with their scoffs, I always have to go back and re-research it to make sure I'm not crazy

[staytrue]

I think you forgot to mention that loral was a big contributor to clinton and the DNC.

Also, Clinton said "I never made any decision, based SOLELY on campaign contributions"

[Brit1]

Can't see any reasoning in all this. Does anybody think the Chinese could or would make a successflul 'First strike' on the US ?. What would be left for the Chinese to achieve. Nuclear wind ,rain,irradiated soil and the absolute certainty of period of 'darkness' for the whole Planet maybe lasting hundreds of years. That is likely to wipe out everybody including the Chinese. I read here last week that soviet generals would never let their political 'masters'have the key codes to launch a strike on the west because they like everybody else knows that it would have been the 'final curtain'for all of us. Its difficult to believe in this technological age that some people still think a nuclear war can be won. Remember the Chernobyl accident...think about maybe three thousand Chernobyls happening on the same day that might give some idea . The next 'war' has already started the 'economic war' in the Pacific Rim and the United States is much better prepared to win that as they did with the long forgotten Soviets.

[Danae]

This is what Liberal "peaceful" "Negotiations" gets us.

Sorry, Peace is ONLY ever achieved through SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. Let the enemy catch up and you are GOING to have problems!

[Mia T]

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PROLIFERATION IN THE AGE OF CLINTON

[Diogenesis]

X42: "We got OUR DNC donations. Ha Ha."

[Danae]

The Chinese are phenominal Chess players. They know that you do not win a match, or even a series of moves by having inferior pieces on the table. Your best chance of achievment is to have equal if not superior pieces. Walk quitely and carry a BIG stick. Then you can come to the Negotiating Table with power, and from a position of power, demand respect as such and get it. It isn't necessarily about who can light of how many of what. It is ABILITY to do so that gives the Chinese power. Mark my words, The Chinese are on the Move.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Yep Clinton is a traitor(Loral), and many other ways. On another note, I sure hope when China invades us, that they are fluent in Spanish.

[Mia T]

It amazes me how my supposedly educated liberal friends know NOTHING about Klintoon's treachery with the Chinese. After dealing with their scoffs, I always have to go back and re-research it to make sure I'm not crazy

Point them to this link for some specifics



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[Mia T]

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[Eagles Talon IV]

Explain, please.