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The Gitmo Prisoners’ Case:What the Supreme Court Really Did, And How the Press Blew the Story
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 29 June 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 06/29/2006 3:50:16 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: subterfuge

Or Rosa Parks. Nancy Pelosi was just about to break out into "This Land Is Your Land," after rejoicing at the ruling.


141 posted on 06/30/2006 11:57:16 AM PDT by PghBaldy ( Scalia (Hamdan):"...at least the Court shows some semblance of seemly shame...")
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well, SCOTUS is really beginning to stink. To even think about Geneva Convention rules applying is ridiculous. And it's even more ridiculous that they are making a BOLD attempt to control the military. I don't believe our constitution makes any such provision. I always thought the Commander-In-Chief role belonged to the President. Talk about a lame attempt to rewrite the constitution!

And Robert's! What's up with him. Is he holding up the white flag and calling it quits?


142 posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Enterprise; Congressman Billybob
Thanks for your efforts! Brother Rush mentioned your analysis today (6/30/06).
Rush reading FR's "Congressman Billybob" right now!
Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | 6/230/06 | LS

Just doing crosslinking American writers won't do . . .

Congrats, John!


143 posted on 06/30/2006 12:50:07 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Great job. Thanks for the analysis.


144 posted on 06/30/2006 12:55:06 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Enterprise; Congressman Billybob
Thanks for your efforts! Brother Rush mentioned your analysis today (6/30/06).
Rush reading FR's "Congressman Billybob" right now!
Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | 6/230/06 | LS

Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Fri June 30th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com ^

Just doing crosslinking American writers won't do . . .

Congrats, John!


145 posted on 06/30/2006 12:57:17 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks for this analysis.

And so it seems that, in one fell swoop, the judiciary has told the Executive (Commander in Chief) and the Congress to go to hell, that the courts will make the laws necessary to achieve the liberal outcomes they desire.

People need to wake up to two things; 1) The courts, including the SCOTUS are POLITICAL entities. The myth of objectivity in "interpreting the laws" needs to be exposed as false; and 2) The courts, including the SCOTUS, are NOT the last word on these issues. It's time for the executive, and especially the Congress, to reassert their constitutionally granted powers.

I don't know if it's true, but I believe President Andrew Jackson said something to the effect: "They have made their decision, now let them enforce it". Somehow, I can't imagine Justice Ginsberg in full battle regalia, lugging an M4 Carbine, storming Capital Hill.
146 posted on 06/30/2006 1:07:47 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Liberalism's main product is Death.)
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To: khnyny

Oh, the ironies!

The elitist meida trumpets this as slapping down an 'imperial president' when in fact it is the others, in this case the USSC, who are over-reaching their authority.

Amazing.


147 posted on 06/30/2006 1:35:45 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG

It's gonna take me a while to digest all this.
But I think you may be right.


148 posted on 06/30/2006 2:02:18 PM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

i'm with you... the privateer was already awarded... the peace "treaty" happened after the fact and the appeal became moot at that point...

when you where a robe, i guess you forget you put your pants on like everyone else...

teeman


149 posted on 06/30/2006 2:07:50 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
And Robert's! What's up with him. Is he holding up the white flag and calling it quits?
The vote in this case was 5-3, not 5-4 - only because Roberts did not participate because he was on the 3-judge panel which unanimously found for the administration and whose judgement was under appeal. The fact that he would not sit on this matter was noted at the time of his confirmation hearings.

But since his vote was part of that finding in favor of the administration in the lower court, and since that finding would have stood in favor of the administration in the event of a 4-4 tie in SCOTUS, Robert's vote was implicit even tho he did not actually cast it. You can't pin this one on Roberts, unless you expect him to be able to sway the other members of the court.


150 posted on 06/30/2006 2:10:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Okay now. Don't go and get all bent-out-of-shape, here. Thank you for the information. Just to let you know...A simple explanation about Roberts being forewarned on this, would have been quite sufficient. I've not got an axe to grind. You do a nice job at explaining things. Don't go and mess it all up by adding the unnecessary stuff about pinning it on Roberts. FYI, that is an opinion about me, and it is one that is best kept to oneself, for it is a negative remark...


151 posted on 06/30/2006 2:27:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Congressman Billybob

It never ceases to amaze me how wimpy and deflated congress is when the SCOTUS challenges their authority. If the President were to do so, I believe the outrage from the Democrat aisle would be heard from here to the moon.

But let the SCOTUS usurp their authority, which it reguarly does, and they slink off into corners with their tails between their legs.


152 posted on 06/30/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (It takes ideas and optimism to win elections. The DemocRATS have neither.)
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To: prairiebreeze
It never ceases to amaze me how wimpy and deflated congress is when the SCOTUS challenges their authority. If the President were to do so, I believe the outrage from the Democrat aisle would be heard from here to the moon.

But let the SCOTUS usurp their authority, which it reguarly does, and they slink off into corners with their tails between their legs.

Of course the partisan makeup of "objective" journalism has nothing to do with that . . . </sarcasm>

153 posted on 06/30/2006 3:20:46 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: kidd
The DTA does NOT violate the checks and balances in the Constitution because it is EXPLICITLY approved in the Constitution. Read Article III, Section 2. You will see that control of the jurisdiction of the federal courts is given to Congress.

To my knowledge, there have been at least eight instances when Congress used this power to restrain the jurisdiction of those courts. And the cases ducked in the majority decision, but featured in the dissents, make clear that the Court itself has recognized and obeyed this power in the past -- just not in this case.

John / Billybob
154 posted on 06/30/2006 3:21:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: XJarhead
Your analysis is spot on. It is not that the majority of the Justices, they did know it. But they did not want to obey it. So, they went into an elaborate and dishonest tap dance to "explain" why the law did not apply to them.

I agree with your summary. I just had to plow through 2,000 words of reporting to reach that conclusion.

John / Billybob
155 posted on 06/30/2006 3:24:47 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Not sure of this, but is the power to take away jurisdiction in a pending case the power to pass an ex post facto law?

Example:

On day 1, Muslim terrorist A converts his AK - 47 rifle to an automatic weapon.

On day 2, A is caught and charged with violating the 1968 Gun Control Act and the Volckner Act.

On day 3, A begins his court proceedings. At that time, he is entitled to have his case heard by the ACOD (appellate court of dimwits.)(referred to in some sources as the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals)

In a brilliant political stroke some time ago, President Bush nominated Hillary Clinton to the ACOD, figuring that she can't make the ACOD any worse than it already is. Congress ratified the nomination unanimously so that they would also not have to listen to her shrieking anymore. (The ACLU lobbied desperately against the nomination, but Ted Kennedy and Charles Schumer were having none of it.)

On day 10, A is convicted and announces an appeal to the ACOD.

On day 11, Congress is horrified when they realize that this is exactly the kind of second amendment case Hillary Clinton would support, and Judge Clinton has previously stated that the right to kill Christians and Jews and other Americans is part of a terrorist's political free speech, therefore inviolate as long as they do not sell tickets to the massacre within 30 days of an election.

Congress then creates the Appellate Court Of Die Terrorist Scum, whose members must make successful head shots at 600 yards on Cindy Sheehan targets in order to be nominated. Congress transfers original jurisdiction for A's case to the ACODTS.

All kidding aside, the law they just passed has an ex post facto effect, doesn't it?

156 posted on 06/30/2006 4:29:53 PM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Your analysis is spot on. It is not that the majority of the Justices, they did know it. But they did not want to obey it. So, they went into an elaborate and dishonest tap dance to "explain" why the law did not apply to them. I agree with your summary. I just had to plow through 2,000 words of reporting to reach that conclusion.

The problem here was that Congress tried to get cute, and the Court called them on it.

The Democrats wanted a bill that would restrict the Court's jurisdiction only over future cases, not pending cases. The Republicans (or at least most of them) wanted to remove jurisdiction from all cases, including pending ones. What they wound up passing was a bill that had 3 separate jurisdiction-stripping provisions. Two of them explicitly said that they applied to all pending and future cases. The third (actually, it was the first)-- the one that applied to cases brought by Gitmo internees-- didn't say either way. Then both sides made floor speeches explaining how the bill supported what they wanted to do.

You are right to the extent that Scalia probably had the better of the argument that ambiguity in jurisdiction-stripping bills should be interpreted against continued jurisdiction. But the issue was not clear-cut, and that ambiguity is absolutely Congress's fault. So the majority was not being clearly lawless here.

157 posted on 06/30/2006 4:42:35 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Thom Pain

How is it that the typical, reasonably informed American citizen knows more about, and understands better, the U.S. Constitution than the majority of the SCOTUS??

@@@@

I thought this was President Bush's rationale for nominating Harriet Meirs.


158 posted on 06/30/2006 4:53:59 PM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: XJarhead

You may be correct. On the other hand, it may be that their arrogance blinds them to their twisted logic.


159 posted on 06/30/2006 4:54:44 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: sig226
No, the Supreme Court has ruled on this, in two cases. Ex Parte McCardle is cited and avoided by the majority. It is cited as being violated, by the dissent. Before this case, the rule was that when jurisdiction is withdrawn, and any court still has the case, it is the obligation of the court at that point to dismiss its case for want of jurisdiction.

As I point out in my article, the dissent could also have cited the very first case the Supreme Court ever decided, which was The Schooner Peggy. In that case, the law changed between the trial and the hearing in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court decided, rightly, that the law at time of appeal, applied.

The Ex Parte Clause has nothing to do with this case.

John / Billybob

160 posted on 06/30/2006 5:33:01 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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