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Justices say Bush went too far at Guantanamo
MSNBC ^ | June 29, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/29/2006 8:34:57 AM PDT by libstripper

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that President Bush overstepped his authority in ordering military war crimes trials for Guantanamo Bay detainees.

The ruling, a rebuke to the administration and its aggressive anti-terror policies, was written by Justice John Paul Stevens, who said the proposed trials were illegal under U.S. law and international Geneva conventions.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; enemycombatant; gitmo; guantanamo; hamdan; kennedy; scotus; tribunals
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To: oyez
Don't you love how they call Stevens a "Moderate". LOL!


Yeah he is about as Moderate as Al Gore. Obviously they are displaying bias in order convince the naive in our public to think that middle of the road people think Bush is too extreme. That is exactly what is being portrayed in this article by so call journalist.
21 posted on 06/29/2006 9:00:57 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Congressman Billybob

Full opinon in pdf

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

More Scalia:

"Though it does not squarely address the issue, the Court hints ominously that “the Government’s preferred reading” would “rais[e] grave questions about Congress’ authority to impinge upon this Court’s appellate jurisdiction,particularly in habeas cases.”" (Citation omitted)
"It is not clear how there could be any such lurking questions, in light of the aptly named “Exceptions Clause” of Article III, §2, which, in making our appellate jurisdiction subject to “such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make,” explicitly permits exactly what Congress has done here."


22 posted on 06/29/2006 9:02:16 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: mrsmith

That's my main beef as a lawyer. This decision throws out hundreds of years of jurisprudence to reach the decision the libs want.


23 posted on 06/29/2006 9:04:25 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: libstripper

Sad decision. I thought it would come down on the side of the Miltary Tribunals. What a blow!


24 posted on 06/29/2006 9:04:46 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Socratic

Excellent point.


25 posted on 06/29/2006 9:06:22 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Congressman Billybob; MNJohnnie; libstripper
I absolutely concur that the next step is to get Congress to expeditiously support the needs of handling these Gitmo criminals.

I was thinking before this final ruling pointed to this needed next step, wouldn't another option be for us to return these creeps to the countries we found them in for their summary court convictions as well? i.e. Afghanistan and Iraq? Or do we not trust those governments yet to do 'the right thing'?
26 posted on 06/29/2006 9:07:37 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: Congressman Billybob; MNJohnnie; libstripper
I absolutely concur that the next step is to get Congress to expeditiously support the needs of handling these Gitmo criminals.

I was thinking before this final ruling pointed to this needed next step, wouldn't another option be for us to return these creeps to the countries we found them in for their summary court convictions as well? i.e. Afghanistan and Iraq? Or do we not trust those governments yet to do 'the right thing'?
27 posted on 06/29/2006 9:07:37 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: tort_feasor

More Scalia

"To put this in context:The charge against the respondent in Councilman was the off-base possession and sale of marijuana while he was stationed in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, see id., at 739–740. The charge against the petitioner here is joining and actively abetting the murderous conspiracy that slaughtered thousands of innocent American civilians without warning on September 11, 2001. While Councilman held that the prosecution of the former charge involved “military necessities” counseling against our interference, the Court does not even ponder the same question for the latter charge."


28 posted on 06/29/2006 9:08:30 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: libstripper

It was essentially a 5 to 4 decision with Kennedy the swing vote. I hope Stevens enjoys an early retirement.


29 posted on 06/29/2006 9:12:51 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: tort_feasor

"Here, apparently for the first time in history, see Motion to Dismiss 6, a District Court enjoined ongoing military commission proceedings, which had been deemed “necessary” by the President “[t]o protect the United States and its citizens, and for the effective conduct of military operations and prevention of terrorist attacks.” Military Order of Nov. 13, 3 CFR §918(e). Such an order brings the Judicial Branch into direct conflict with the Executive in an area where the Executive’s competence is maximal and ours is virtually nonexistent. We should exercise our equitable discretion to avoid such conflict. Instead, the Court rushes headlong to meet it."


30 posted on 06/29/2006 9:12:58 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: AgThorn; Congressman Billybob; libstripper

Did you all know that Roberts had to recuse himself? He had heard the case before at the DC Circuit and could not rule on it again. I think that is an imporant point to make to all the Perpetual Bitchers on our side. This is one of the LAST decisions that will be handed down by the OLD court. This is NOT a "betray" of the "True Conservatives" by the Bush Judges as some of our psuedo Conservative Freepers will be screaming.


31 posted on 06/29/2006 9:14:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: MNJohnnie

Justice Thomas Dissent;

"The Court’s evident belief that it is qualified to pass on the “[m]ilitary necessity,” ante, at 48, of the Commander in Chief’s decision to employ a particular form of force against our enemies is so antithetical to our constitutional structure that it simply cannot go unanswered. I respectfully dissent."


32 posted on 06/29/2006 9:16:06 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: tort_feasor

And they not only had to have their way- they had to have it NOW!

They wouldn't even wait until a case came up that had followed the DTA. When they could have made the very same arrogant ruling on the tribunals without denying the clear meaning of the word "any".


33 posted on 06/29/2006 9:16:14 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: tort_feasor
I never thought I would be a "Judicial groupie" but man I love Thomas and Scalia.
34 posted on 06/29/2006 9:23:03 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: MNJohnnie

I always read Scalia to know what the Constitutuion actually says.

More Thomas hitting the libs upside the head.

"But this suggestion betrays the plurality’s unfamiliarity with the realities of warfare and its willful blindness to our precedents. The starting point of the present conflict (or indeed any conflict) is not determined by congressional enactment, but rather by the initiation of hostilities. See Prize Cases, supra, at 668 (recognizing that war may be initiated by “invasion of a foreign nation,” and that such initiation, and the President’s response, usually precedes congressional action)."


35 posted on 06/29/2006 9:24:30 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: MNJohnnie

Here he calls them stupid;

"And the plurality’s unsupportable contrary determination merely confirms that “‘the Judiciary has neither aptitude, facilities nor responsibility’” for making military or foreignaffairs judgments. Hamdi, 542 U. S., at 585 (THOMAS, J., dissenting) (quoting Chicago & Southern Air Lines, 333 U. S., at 111)."


36 posted on 06/29/2006 9:27:07 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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To: MNJohnnie
I cannot see even the Liberal Democrats in Congress opposing legislation that would further detain the terrorists at Gitmo.

Thus in the long run this may be a good ruling in that it will keep the next Democratic President in check and not permit him or her to detain people without due process.
37 posted on 06/29/2006 9:30:03 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Zechariah11

The prez already said congress will have to step to the plate, nice in an election year


38 posted on 06/29/2006 9:32:11 AM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: MNJohnnie

How many Justices heard this? Where is Roberts?


39 posted on 06/29/2006 9:33:54 AM PDT by MiHeat
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To: tort_feasor

Here he calls them Dangerous:

"After seeing the plurality overturn longstanding precedents in order to seize jurisdiction over this case, ante, at 2–4 (SCALIA, J., dissenting), and after seeing them disregard the clear prudential counsel that they abstain in these circumstances from using equitable powers, ante, at 19–24, it is no surprise to see them go on to overrule one after another of the President’s judgments pertaining to the conduct of an ongoing war. Those Justices who today disregard the commander-in-chief’s wartime decisions, only 10 days ago deferred to the judgment of the Corps ofEngineers with regard to a matter much more within the competence of lawyers, upholding that agency’s wildly implausible conclusion that a storm drain is a tributary of the waters of the United States. See Rapanos v. United States, 547 U. S. ___(2006). It goes without saying thatthere is much more at stake here than storm drains. The plurality’s willingness to second-guess the determination of the political branches that these conspirators must be brought to justice is both unprecedented and dangerous."


40 posted on 06/29/2006 9:34:30 AM PDT by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)
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