Posted on 06/27/2006 1:00:10 PM PDT by white trash redneck
What Muslims think
To find out, the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press carried out a large-scale attitudinal survey this spring. Titled "The Great Divide: How Westerners and Muslims View Each Other," it interviewed Muslims in two batches of countries: six of them with long-standing, majority-Muslim populations (Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Turkey) and four of them in Western Europe with new, minority Muslim populations (France, Germany, Great Britain, Spain).
The survey, which also looks at Western views of Muslims, yielded some dismaying but not altogether surprising results. Its themes can be grouped under three rubrics.
A PROCLIVITY to conspiracy theories: In not one Muslim population polled does a majority believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks on the United States. The proportions range from a mere 15 percent in Pakistan holding Arabs responsible, to 48 percent among French Muslims.
Confirming recent negative trends in Turkey, the number of Turks who point the finger at Arabs has declined from 46 percent in 2002 to 16 percent today. In other words, in every one of these 10 Muslim communities, a majority views 9/11 as a hoax perpetrated by the American government, Israel, or some other agency.
Further, Muslims in certain countries (especially Egypt and Jordan) see Jews conspiratorially, as being responsible for bad relations between Muslims and Westerners.
Conspiracy theories also pertain to larger topics. Asked, "What is most responsible for Muslim nations' lack of prosperity?" between 14 percent (in Pakistan) and 43 percent (in Jordan) blame the policies of the US and other Western states, as opposed to indigenous problems, such as a lack of democracy or education, or the presence of corruption or radical Islam.
This conspiracism points to a widespread unwillingness in the umma to deal with realities, preferring the safer bromides of plots, schemes, and intrigues. It also reveals major problems adjusting to modernity.
SUPPORT FOR terrorism: All the Muslim populations polled display a solid majority of support for Osama bin Laden. Asked whether they have confidence in him, Muslims replied positively, ranging between 8 percent (in Turkey) to 72 percent (in Nigeria). Likewise, suicide bombing is popular. Muslims who call it justified range from 13 percent (in Germany) to 69 percent (in Nigeria). These appalling numbers suggest that terrorism by Muslims has deep roots and will remain a danger for years to come.
BRITISH AND Nigerian Muslims the most alienated: The United Kingdom stands out as a paradoxical country. Non-Muslims there have strikingly more favorable views of Islam and Muslims than elsewhere in the West; for example, only 32 percent of the British sample view Muslims as violent, significantly less their counterparts in France (41 percent), Germany (52 percent) or Spain (60 percent).
In the Muhammad cartoon dispute, Britons showed more sympathy for the Muslim outlook than did other Europeans. More broadly, Britons blame Muslims less for the poor state of Western-Muslim relations.
But British Muslims return the favor with the most malign anti-Western attitudes found in Europe. Many more of them regard Westerners as violent, greedy, immoral, and arrogant than do their counterparts in France, Germany, and Spain. In addition, whether asked about their attitudes toward Jews, responsibility for 9/11, or the place of women in Western societies, their views are notably more extreme.
The situation in Britain reflects the "Londonistan" phenomenon, whereby Britons preemptively cringe and Muslims respond to this weakness with aggression.
Nigerian Muslims have generally the most belligerent views on such issues as the state of Western-Muslim relations, the supposed immorality and arrogance of Westerners, and support for bin Laden and suicide terrorism. This extremism results, no doubt, from the violent state of Christian-Muslim relations in Nigeria.
Ironically, most Muslim alienation is found in those countries where Muslims are either the most or the least accommodated, suggesting that a middle path is best - where Muslims do not win special privileges, as in the UK, nor are they in an advanced state of hostility, as in Nigeria.
Overall, the Pew survey sends an undeniable message of crisis from one end to the other of the Muslim world.
And their Hamm's beer was not very good either!
And their smoked hams,..forget about it. Muslim ham is the worst. Tastes like chicken. Or goat.
This despite the fact that al-Jazeera has run tapes by bin Laden claiming credit for the attack.
How insane is that?
Joshua.
It isn't "islamofascists" but all of islam that we must crush. I've known it for years, and this Pew research just solidifies in my mind why we must send them back to the stoneage so they can not ever harm the rest of the world again.
Thank you.
I kept thinking "Jeshua" -- which is correct, but I thought I was wrong.
I hate when I blank on names like that.
"It isn't "islamofascists" but all of islam that we must crush."
I couldn't agree more. But, from Tancredo's position, even calling out islamofascism is a dangerous step. Many will seek to marginalize him as a kook. If he called it what I'm sure he believes along with us, a war with all of islam, he'd be skewered by the MSM.
It is all of islam. It's how they raise their young, and what they believe out of that crock they call the koran.
It's a death cult with violent, thoughtless animals as practitioners. All following allah, (piss be upon him).
It is not only islamofacists. The polls suggest radicalism is embraced by large numbers, if not by majorities, of muslims. Until the magnitude of this problem is acknowledged, it is unlikely that a viable solution will be found.
It's no coincidence that their lineage is referred to in Genesis 16:12 as that of a "wild man" where the Hebrew word for wild (pere')actually means "a wild ass". It describes their behavior, actions, and mental state precisely.
When you are down and I kick you, that is because it is MY proclivity.
The way the Islamic world thinks.
The don't, they just follow an imam like the slaves of Satan they are.
I think, maybe, it's religion and culture, not some sort of 'lineage' supposedly described in Genesis.
BTW, my list of racial/ethnic backgrounds is intended to be suggestive, not exhaustive.
The curse of Ham is used to jsutify hated of black people. Muslims trace their lineage back to Ishmael. PLease get your bigotry straight.
It was a joke.
The bit about Joshua was not, however.
fair enough. i felt it necessary to let others know the joke's origins.
the bit about joshua certainly invites comparisons to the more bellicose parts of the quran, unfortunately.
Islam is a false religion and Mohammed its bastard author.
[ two cents worth ]
Excellent!
Who's more dangerous to our way of life?
Muslims?
Democrats/Liberals?
In modern relevance, the bit about Joshua teaches us:
1. to obey God, even when we think He's wrong;
2. not to make moral compromises for the sake of expediency;
3. making the analogy of the Holy Land to our souls, we are to root out corruption and sin within ourselves, which we can do --- even if it seems impossible --- with the help of God; and
4. the merely human Jeshua failed to root out the evil, but the divine AND human Jeshua (known in English as Jesus, of course) can, and does, succeed where humans failed.
Killing the ancestors of modern Palestians is extremely harsh, but, in hindsight, their descendants have had a pretty miserable existance, so perhaps God was being just.
That said, His ways are not ours, and, IMHO, we are expressly told NOT to try to finish Joshua's job today in the parable of the weeds.
Ignorant, bigoted conspiracy theorists with chips on their shoulders. Now there's a recipe for tolerance and peace...[/sarcasm].
I think I love you. Are you married? ;->
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