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Gunmen Snatch 80 Iraqi Factory Workers
Sky News ^ | 6/21/06

Posted on 06/21/2006 8:12:13 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: RightWhale

If I remember correctly Iraqis are all allowed to own one AK47 and ammo, maybe someone else can back me up or correct me on this.


141 posted on 06/21/2006 9:29:42 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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Iraqi women flee the site where a car bomb exploded in Baghdad's poor Sadr City district. More than 100 Iraqis employed by the ministry of industry north of Baghdad were kidnapped by gunmen as they left work.(AFP/Wissam Al-Okaili)

142 posted on 06/21/2006 9:30:17 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: is_is
I 100% agree, and have stated it many times since the war has begun. Hell, my tag line (which has never changed) is Latin translated to: Let them hate, so long as they fear.

It pisses me off to think how we now fight wars. It only endangers our service men and women more. Yes, technology has greatly lessened collateral damage but it has also lessened the desire for the people of Iraq to get off their asses and fight to end this freaking war!
143 posted on 06/21/2006 9:30:47 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: SeanOGuano
Good morning.

I haven't dealt with a Mini-14 in quite a while. Has Ruger found a solution to the Mini-14's tendency to lose it's zero over time?

I disagree with you that the M-14 is "crap". It's heavy and it's ammo is, too, but it will reach out there and it will drop what it hits.

Michael Frazier
144 posted on 06/21/2006 9:34:26 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: cccp_hater
Thus the major obstacle to destroying the enemy is the ability to separate the enemy from the common public.

Big Ceegar. Which is what we are trying to make possible to happen. The fact that intel for killing the Z-Man came from Iraqi sources is a huge encouragement. If we can get the same result off this, we are well on the way to the end game.

145 posted on 06/21/2006 9:38:35 AM PDT by don-o
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To: Raycpa
Good morning.
"How many workplace shootings have we had since then? I recall two."

There was one this morning, at a correction facility, no less, and involving LEOs and corrections officers.

Workplace shootings are aberrations and they won't tell you how many Americans responded to 9/11 by arming themselves.

Michael Frazier
146 posted on 06/21/2006 9:40:09 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Allegra
There are checkpoints all over the place, heavily enforced curfews and nobody is alowed to carry their weapons during this time.

And the bad guys obey that, I suppose? Seriesly, what is the thinking with that?

btw, let me say that I appreciate your postings!

147 posted on 06/21/2006 9:41:16 AM PDT by don-o
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To: areafiftyone

Mass murder probably has already occured.


148 posted on 06/21/2006 9:42:36 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Protagoras

I wouldn't be surprised. I am afraid this new leader of Al Qaeda will not wait a while to kill kidnapped victims. We need to get this guy and FAST!


149 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:48 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

Baghdad gunmen kill third Saddam defense lawyer

By Ibon Villelabeitia and Mussab Al-Khairalla


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - One of Saddam Hussein's main lawyers was shot dead on Wednesday after men in police uniforms took him from his home, police and relatives said, the third defense attorney to be killed since the trial opened in October.

Gunmen also abducted at least 80 Iraqi factory workers traveling in a fleet of buses just north of Baghdad, police and Interior Ministry sources said.

The killing of Khamis al-Obaidi was a new setback for the U.S.-backed court. It fueled complaints that sectarian violence, some by Shi'ite militias within the police, against Saddam's once-dominant Sunni Arab minority, is crippling a fair trial.

The lead defense lawyer called for the case to be suspended and the defendants taken abroad after the death of his deputy.

Al Qaeda's allies said in a Web posting they would kill four Russian embassy staff kidnapped in Baghdad 18 days ago because Moscow failed to meet a deadline to pull troops out of Chechnya. Russia urged the group to heed Muslim calls to free the men.

Five busloads of employees from a factory in Taji north of Baghdad were commandeered by dozens of gunmen, officials said. One source put the number of those kidnapped at least 100.

Obaidi's wife told another defense lawyer that men in police uniform took Obaidi from his Baghdad home around 7 a.m.

"They said 'We're from internal security and we need you for questioning'," Qatari attorney Najeeb al-Nuaimi told Al Jazeera television. Two hours later, Obaidi's body was dumped on a road beside a poster honoring a Shi'ite cleric killed under Saddam.

The attack appeared very similar to the killing of another lawyer the day after the televised trial began in October.

Saddam and seven Baath party allies are being tried for crimes against humanity over the deaths of Shi'ite villagers.

A police officer who identified himself as Captain Sabah said Obaidi had been shot eight times and there were signs of torture, both his arms were broken.

Chief prosecutor Jaafar al-Moussawi said the killing would "not affect or delay the trial and we will defy terrorism."

It came two days after Moussawi demanded the death penalty for Saddam and three of his former senior aides.

SUSPENSION CALL

Shopowners told Reuters three gunmen dumped the body of Obaidi at a roundabout under a poster of a senior Shi'ite cleric killed by Saddam's agents in 1999. The cleric is the father of Moqtada al-Sadr, a cleric and leader of the Mehdi Army militia.

"They fired into the air and said 'This is the fate of Baathists!'," said a vegetable seller whose shop is 10 meters (yards) from where the body was dumped.

The area is not far from the Sadr City slum, a stronghold of Sadr's militia. The body of Saadoun Janabi, the first lawyer to be killed, was also dumped nearby. Neighbors said then that he was seized by men saying they were from the Interior Ministry.

Unlike other defense lawyers, Obaidi still lived in Iraq.

Chief defense counsel Khalil al-Dulaimi said the trial should be suspended and the defendants taken abroad for safety: "We hold the U.S. and Iraqi governments, and particularly the militias, responsible for Obaidi's killing," he told Reuters.

A Western official close to the court said Obaidi was offered protection but had turned it down.

Nuaimi told Jazeera other defense lawyers had received written death threats from pro-government Shi'ite militias.

Obaidi told Reuters last year he preferred to stay in Iraq during court recesses: "Whatever will be will be," he said.

The trial, which started in October, has also been marred by the resignation of the previous judge, who complained the Shi'ite-led government was pressuring him over the case.

Defense lawyers are due to sum up on July 10.

(Additional reporting by Ross Colvin and Ahmed Rasheed in Baghdad)

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150 posted on 06/21/2006 9:44:24 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: areafiftyone
We need to get this guy and FAST

There is another right behind him.

151 posted on 06/21/2006 9:45:04 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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Photo dated October 2005 shows Khamis al-Obeidi, a lawyer for Saddam Hussein, attending a court session in Baghdad's Green Zone. Obeidi was shot in the head after being kidnapped from his Baghdad home, the third defense attorney to be slain.(AFP/Pool/File/Bob Strong)

An Iraqi policeman shows a picture of Khamis al-Obeidi, one of Saddam Hussein's defense lawyers. Obeidi was shot in the head after being kidnapped from his Baghdad home, the third defense attorney to be slain.(AFP/Wissam Al-Okaili)

152 posted on 06/21/2006 9:45:39 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: RightWhale
Iraq is already one of the most heavily-armed countries in the world, and in many areas there is very little "law enforcement" to speak of.

Most people have no idea how docile and helpless a population can be after it's been exposed to nanny-state socialism in an urban setting for so like.

153 posted on 06/21/2006 9:47:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: areafiftyone

When will the rest of the world wake up!

These thugs cannot be ignored. They're not going to go away if we leave Iraq. They have to be fought and killed wherever they are.

France, Germany, etc., should be sending troops to Iraq.


154 posted on 06/21/2006 10:04:02 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: TexKat
"Shopowners told Reuters three gunmen dumped the body of Obaidi at a roundabout under a poster of a senior Shi'ite cleric killed by Saddam's agents in 1999. The cleric is the father of Moqtada al-Sadr, a cleric and leader of the Mehdi Army militia."

I am very suspicious that this is being made to look like the act of Shi'ite militias. After all, who is likely to benefit from the lawyer's death? Saddam Hussein. He can claim that the loss of his lawyers is denying him a fair trial; it is a tactic to delay and delegitimize the trial. If this was indeed perpetrated by Sadr's militia, it is simply stupid.
155 posted on 06/21/2006 10:24:05 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: don-o
And the bad guys obey that, I suppose? Seriesly, what is the thinking with that?

The rationale behind that is that they can immediately arrest anyone carrying a weapon during this lockdown. So if the bad guys are the only ones carrying, they'll get nailed on a checkpoint search and taken into custody. There are also troops all over the place.

When the clamp comes off this place, Iraqi citizens will be allowed to carry again. They've implemented this curfew and no-carry law before - the most recent being the time following the Samarra mosque bombing.

156 posted on 06/21/2006 10:29:48 AM PDT by Allegra (Reporting Live from the Land of Two Rivers)
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To: DCPatriot

What then do you suggest?


157 posted on 06/21/2006 10:30:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: Raycpa
Yes, I'm sure the LEFTIST

The National Institute For The Prevention Of Workplace Violence

will solve all our problems in Iraq.

Indeed!


LOL!!!

I can hardly stop laughing!

You made my day.

Perhaps DU would be a more appropriate forum for you?
158 posted on 06/21/2006 10:34:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: nmh

So, you believe we don't have workplace shootings in spite of our gun laws ?


159 posted on 06/21/2006 10:36:44 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Alberta's Child
nanny-state socialism

That is not what the ME has experienced. They have had caliphate and they have had sheikh and they have had sultan. All of these rely on family for state structure, and division of labor for economic function. They have no experience of the state in itself, neither capitalist nor communist nor caste nor Confucian.

160 posted on 06/21/2006 10:38:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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