Tim McGirk Keeps Changing His Haditha Story

Sweetness & Light ^ | June 18, 2006 | N/A

[Sam Hill]

From the Columbia Journalism Review site, the CJR Daily:

Tim McGirk.

Tim McGirk on Haditha

Paul McLeary

June 16, 2006

Time magazine's veteran foreign correspondent Tim McGirk has reported from postings such as Islamabad, Afghanistan, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Baghdad and New Delhi, and is currently in the process of moving to Jerusalem to become the magazine's bureau chief there. This past March, while in Baghdad, he was the first reporter to break the story of the alleged slaughter of Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in the town of Haditha in November 2005.

Paul McLeary: In March, Time magazine broke the story of the alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in Haditha. How did you find the story, and how did you go about reporting it?

Tim McGirk: Well, we wanted to do a story that looked at civilian casualties, because in December, President Bush mentioned for the first time that there were around 30,000 civilian casualties. So we contacted the Hammurabi human rights monitoring group, since we did stuff with them before, and we knew that they had very good contacts in the Sunni triangle and could get places that we couldn't get to. So, they came one day and they brought this horrendous video, and they didn't know that much about it, they just knew that it came from Haditha, and there were two segments of it. The first showed relatives claiming the bodies in a morgue in Haditha, and the second showed interiors of a house where something awful had happened.

Then they said, "the Marines did this," and I found it very hard to believe, you know? But what piqued my curiosity was that I went back and I saw that [in November, at the time the Iraqis claimed the massacre happened] there had been a communiqué that had been put out by camp Blue Diamond, [an American base near Ramadi] that said that one Marine had been killed and two wounded and 15 Iraqis were killed in the same roadside bombing, and it said that eight insurgents were killed in an ensuing gunfight. Then I looked at the video again, and thought "well, these bodies are women and children, and some were wearing their pajamas," and you just wouldn't find Iraqi women going out in the streets at 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning in their pajamas. The second thing is that all the damage was on the inside of the houses, so it was obvious that something had happened inside the houses. There were a few exterior shots of the houses, and there was nothing on the exterior. If it was a roadside bomb that killed these people, you know, the outside of the building would have been pockmarked, and it wouldn't have accounted for the bullet holes on the inside of these rooms, too.

PM: How did you follow up with it, did you send Iraqi stringers out to investigate?

TM: We did it through the Hammurabi group, we got the local journalist who had shot the video and he came from Haditha, and through him...Well, first of all, we couldn't send our stringers out there because even our stringers who had really good contacts with the insurgents, who wanted to go, were told by the insurgents, "Don't even try it, because the guys out there are all crazy foreign fighters, and they'll kill you as a CIA spy." So the only way we could really get information was by making contact with people in Haditha, and getting them to come to Baghdad.

The thing that convinced me that I had to do the story was when we got this 8 year-old girl who came and just told this absolutely horrifying story, and what convinced me about her story was that she only talked about what she knew. She wasn't being coached to talk about things she hadn't seen or witnessed directly. She only talked about what she saw, and she saw two Marines in the doorway of the living room, who opened fire first on her 78 year-old grandfather - shot him twice, once in the chest, once in the head. They shot the grandmother, then opened fire at the group [of Iraqis] who were huddled at the far end of the room, and she was one of them, along with her younger brother, who also survived.

PM: And how long did it take you to put the story together after you saw the video and spoke with the townspeople?

TM We saw the video around the third week of January, and then we knew that there were other witnesses, a 13 year-old girl from a different house, the 8 year-old's aunt who went out the back door with a baby, and her husband tried to follow her and he was shot and lay bleeding for six hours in the garden before he died. In the meantime, we also made contact with the mayor, we made contact with a lawyer in Haditha who was a go-between representing the families when the Americans came and gave them compensation, which was another strange thing, because the Americans never give compensation to civilians who are killed by insurgent activity. They only do it if they're directly involved, and this was a case where they were paying off families.

PM: And had you heard anything from the military by this point?

TM: Yeah, we did. In the beginning after we saw the video and heard accounts from the military and the girls, we approached the military and said, "This is what we've got," and the Marines' first reaction was "Well, we think this is all al Qeada propaganda." We told them that we'd like to go up and see the place for ourselves, but it was too dangerous for us to go up there alone, can [they] arrange an embed? So, they did, but the problem was that the ABC anchor [Bob Woodruff] had just been wounded the day before we were supposed to go out, and [Time managing editor] Jim Kelly, I think wisely, said that it probably wasn't a good idea for us to go out to Haditha, and put our safety in the hands of the men that we were then going to turn around and accuse of having gone on a rampage and killed civilians.

PM: During your stint in country, how often did Time reporters go out on embeds?

TM: [Michael] Ware went out a lot. I think when I was there, I went out on three different embeds around Baghdad.

PM: How long were you in Iraq?

TM: Five weeks, but I was also there last summer, in June and July.

PM: And how would you compare last summer to your most recent trip this past winter?

TM: It was much worse this past time. When I came back in January there were entire sections of the city where we had been able to go six months before, and suddenly they were just too dangerous. Also the strains on the staff were much, much greater because we had a mix of Sunni and Shia, and all the reverberations of what was happening outside of the office were naturally affecting the people inside, too.

PM: How would you respond to the criticism coming from some on the Right [that] the press is trying to push the Haditha story because it makes the military look bad, and hurts the war effort?

TM: I just know in my case that we deliberately got all of our facts together, and then and only then did we go to the military. We gave what we had to the military and they said that they would launch an investigation into it. We held off on reporting it until we could get their side of the story. So, I don't think we were in any great rush to accuse them of a massacre.

Time Magazine, a giant in the media world, had done stories with the (two man) Hammurabi group before:

So we contacted the Hammurabi human rights monitoring group, since we did stuff with them before...

And yet Hammurabi didn't think to take them this video when they made it? They waited for Time to contact them? They let eight weeks go by?

What is the purpose of being a "human rights watch" monitor if you aren't going to tell the media about what you've seen and taped?

Also, if McGirk went to Hammurabi because he had worked with them before, why did he first identify the source of the tape as Human Rights Watch? And then falsely claim that Hammurabi worked closely with Human Rights Watch?

How could he make such a basic mistake about a group he knew and worked with before?

So, they came one day and they brought this horrendous video, and they didn't know that much about it, they just knew that it came from Haditha...

What? The "Secretary General" of Hammurabi, Thaer al-Hadithi, claims to have witnessed the event as it happened. He is then supposed to have decided to tape it the next day. (McGirk and his partner called him "a budding journalism student.")

Now McGirk tells us they didn't know much about the tape, except that it came from Haditha?

We [followed up] through the Hammurabi group, we got the local journalist who had shot the video and he came from Haditha, and through him...

Is McGirk back to claiming that there is another person who was not part of Hammurabi, who shot the tape? Is it no longer Thaer al-Hadithi, as Time claimed in their detailed description of how they came to get the tape and the story:

Secretary-General of the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring, and also a Haditha resident who witnessed parts of the incident, Thaer al-Hadithi, gives a detailed account of the alleged massacre of 24 Iraqis by U.S. Marines last year, to an Associated Press reporter at the offices of the group in Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, June 6, 2006.

How Haditha Came to Light

By JEFFREY KLUGER

Sunday, Jun 4, 2006

If the Marines are indeed guilty of an atrocity, they had the ill fortune to have committed their crime in the worst possible place: outside the front door of a budding Iraqi journalist and human-rights activist. Taher Thabet, 43, was at home in Haditha on the morning of Nov. 19 when around 7:15 he heard the detonation of the roadside bomb that struck a Marine humvee, killing the driver, Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, 20. The blast shattered Thabet’s windows. He ran outside in time to see Marines from three other humvees springing from their vehicles and heading for four homes on either side of the road. "They went into one house. I heard gunfire, explosions and screams," he told TIME in an interview in Baghdad last month. "Then they came out and went into another. I could only stand and watch."

The next morning, Thabet–who last year co-founded a small outfit called the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring–went into the houses where the killings had taken place and videotaped what he saw, as well as the wrenching scenes later at the local morgue, where friends and family collected the bodies of the victims. "I didn’t know what I was recording," he says. "I just felt I had to record everything I could see."

And then there's this:

I don't think we were in any great rush to accuse them of a massacre.

Except that he was. McGirk actually fought with his editors at Time to use the word "massacre" in his first report. He claims he was overruled, but in fact in several versions the word does appear.

Is McGirk backtracking or is he confused?

Or is he just trying to confuse us?

[MrCruncher]

[Sam Hill]

I think it might be that McGirk has learned (no thanks to his research) that Taher Thabet has close relatives in jail for ties to terrorists.

Which means that just about every single one of his "witnesses" (who he interviewed by email) have some ties to the terrorists and/or reasons (in their minds) to hate the US.

The "mayor," the "doctor," the "lawyer."

And now, even the "human rights watcher" and "budding journalism student."

And this could just be McGirk once again changing the story to back to them not knowing whom made the tape. But it sure makes his primary source Thabet out to be a liar, no matter how you slice.

I think this blows McGirk and Time Magazine (who are the original reporters on Haditha) right out of the water.

I guess I didn't present it clearly enough, since it doesn't seem to be registering with people here.

But there is clearly a lot of lying going on here. By Time, by McGirk's sources and by McGirk himself.

[MrCruncher]

[Bahbah]

Funny how Jack Murtha was not asked about his "cold blooded murder" accusation against the Marines on MTP today.

MTP has a place where you can submit your questions for their guests and that is the one I sent in. In fact, the entire interview (if that's the right word) with Murtha was a scripted event to allow him to repeat all of his nutty statistics and positions without any real challenge.

[Luke21]

Man, Diana Irey is a babe.

[TET1968]

Is Time Warner good for America?

[operation clinton cleanup]

I will be contributing money to D.I. after Labor Day. Murtha is scaring the crap out of me!

[operation clinton cleanup]

He makes up the stats as he goes along because nobody will call him on it. And who is he to call Karl Rove a fat @ss!?

[Sam Hill]

Tim McGirk:

So we contacted the Hammurabi human rights monitoring group, since we did stuff with them before... [T]hey brought this horrendous video, and they didn't know that much about it, they just knew that it came from Haditha...

We [followed up] through the Hammurabi group, we got the local journalist who had shot the video and he came from Haditha, and through him…

Time Magazine:

The next morning, Thabet–who last year co-founded a small outfit called the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring–went into the houses where the killings had taken place and videotaped what he saw, as well as the wrenching scenes later at the local morgue, where friends and family collected the bodies of the victims. "I didn’t know what I was recording," he says. "I just felt I had to record everything I could see."

Thabet shared the VCD with the other members of the Hammurabi group, but for a time, news of the killings did not go further than that... TIME’s Tim McGirk, posted in Baghdad, began to investigate cases in which Iraqi civilians had been killed by U.S. troops. In the course of his reporting, he obtained a copy of Thabet’s VCD…

[operation clinton cleanup]

Man, Diana Irey is a babe.

She gets my vote in that department as well!

[em2vn]

A minor wound I would say.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.

I thought the "budding journalist" and another guy only came up with the Hammurabi group recently.

This story has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Michael Frazier

[Gondring]

... [Time managing editor] Jim Kelly, I think wisely, said that it probably wasn't a good idea for us to go out to Haditha, and put our safety in the hands of the men that we were then going to turn around and accuse of having gone on a rampage and killed civilians.

I'd like to know whether any of the embedded ticks--oops, I mean, reporters--have ever seen any indication our Marines would harm them. How often did the Marines risk their lives for them? This crew is in fantasyland.

[Sam Hill]

"I thought the "budding journalist" and another guy only came up with the Hammurabi group recently."

Yes, we've been told only 16 months ago. It would be interesting to ask McGirk what other material they had supplied him before this Haditha tape in January.

And again, if they had supplied material to Time before, why didn't they just run to them with this tape?

Also, it should be noted, that before he became a "rights watcher" and "budding journalist" Taher Thabet worked directly under the head of the Haditha hospital.

He's the guy who a) says everybody was shot at close range, b) says US soldiers had imprisoned him for a week at the hospital and beat him viciously.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"Free the Haditha Marines!!"

It was heartening to see demonstrations in support of the Marines on FNC this morning.

"There ain't no way they left a guy bleeding for 6 hrs."

The enemy is trying to paint the incident as a prolonged rampage, a la My Lai 4. There seem to be plenty of living witnesses for something that took so long.

Michael Frazier

[Mo1]

Time and McGirk believed the terrorists and their friends .. because they wanted to believe them

That is why he didn't properly investigate his sources

The same reason why the LA Times photo shop thist picture

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/883094/posts

And the same reason that Newsweek printed that bogus Koran flushing story

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/16/newsweek.quran/

Many in the media have been doing this since day one

Why ??

Because they hate America .. they hate our military .. they hate that America is the Leader of the free world ... and they want to knock us down a few pegs

In their minds they don't think it is hate

But what else would you call it, that a group of people would go out of their way to report lies to make us all look bad

What do you call it .. when a group of people would call the terrorists that have been kill their brothers??

This isn't about President Bush .. this is about America being top dog in the world and that bothers the hell our of them

[Anti-Bubba182]

I am sure McGirk knows what he is doing at every level, including what he says about the video.

On another point, McGirk said, "we made contact with a lawyer in Haditha who was a go-between representing the families when the Americans came and gave them compensation, which was another strange thing, because the Americans never give compensation to civilians who are killed by insurgent activity. They only do it if they're directly involved, and this was a case where they were paying off families."

This is a gross mischaracterization. McGirk knows the payments are not an admission of guilt and that they have been paid out over the course of the War if the casualties occured around Coalition actions whether the coalition was directly responsible or not.

[Sam Hill]

Yes, they are passed out for "collatoral damage" restitution.

It could be argued that the Haditha "victims" got together with their lawyer (who now claims to also be a witness, and who looms large in McGirk's and others' reports) and decided that they could get more compensation if they claimed they were intentionally murdered in cold blood, rather than "collatoral damage" victims.

Haditha Lawyer Wants More “Compensation” | Sweetness & Light
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/haditha-lawyer-wants-more-compensation

As other article have pointed out, Iraqis have been willing to lie about "atrocities" for as little as $100.

Either McGirk doesn't know this, and he shouldn't be a reporter. Or he is lying to make the US look bad, and he shouldn't be a reporter.

[kcvl]

Saturday, Nov. 24, 2001

Thanksgiving With the Taliban

TIME correspondent Tim McGirk shares bread, raisins, and thoughts about the afterlife with some Taliban fighters, and finds some common ground

By TIM MCGIRK

The story by Tim McGirk was titled, "Last November, U.S. Marines killed 15 Iraqi civilians in their homes. "Was it self-defense, an accident, or cold-blooded revenge?"

More...

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[nothingnew]

Who cares? I don't. Some people got dead in a war zone. And?.........What?........People don't get killed in a war zone?.....What a bunch of crap.

If the USA were to be attacked by ground troops and the same thing happened, would this "reporter" investigate the same sort of "allegations"?

Feh...crap.

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