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Foe of ‘Ex-Gay’ Ministries Launches New Group
Concerned Women for America ^ | 6/16/06 | Sarah Kuziomko

Posted on 06/17/2006 6:20:30 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Contending that “ex-gay” organizations are not only ineffective, Besan said they actually hurt people. He claimed that he is dedicated to protecting homosexuals as they “really are,” that is, normal members of society with a slightly different lifestyle. Besen spent much of his time assailing Christian conservatives instead of defending homosexuality.

If people are "born" homosexual, then why are they always trying to recruit more homosexuals?

1 posted on 06/17/2006 6:20:32 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/17/2006 6:20:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Better yet, why are they always against any medical studies to reverse what is, after all, a 'genetic disease'?


3 posted on 06/17/2006 6:22:59 PM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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"If people are "born" homosexual, then why are they always trying to recruit more homosexuals?"

Excellent question.

4 posted on 06/17/2006 6:23:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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Perverts.


5 posted on 06/17/2006 6:24:03 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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They might go along with it if it involved slaughtering embryos.


6 posted on 06/17/2006 6:24:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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The other side of that is: if it can be proven that a "gay gene" really exists, parents who don't want to give birth to a "gay" child could simply abort it. How quickly would the homosexual community and lobby become pro-life?!


7 posted on 06/17/2006 6:48:47 PM PDT by Prov3456
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...even if it meant hurting people in the process, it was easier to just do what they “felt” like...

An open admission that homosexual behavior is choice the same as is prostitution, polygamy, bestiality, etc.
8 posted on 06/17/2006 6:59:53 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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If people were born homosexual, then EVERY set of identical twins (male or female) would be either both heterosexual or homosexual/lesbian. Find just ONE set of identical twins that has one twin that is heterosexual and the other homosexual and that destroys their "born that way" argument.


9 posted on 06/17/2006 7:11:19 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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If people are "born" homosexual, then why are they always trying to recruit more homosexuals?

I never understood people who on the one hand say, "It's my choice, I can do whatever I want" and then they say, "I can't help it, I was born that way." Of course, anyone who questions the contradiction is called "intolerant."

10 posted on 06/17/2006 7:18:25 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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These gay activists simply do not believe in human freedom. If someone wants to try and pursue change of orientation, who is this jerk to tell them they can't try it. If it does or doesn't work in a particular case, what is it to him? And given how complex sexuality can be, how can one generalize that no one anywhere can ever experience a change in orientation or at least a shift to some extent?


11 posted on 06/17/2006 7:31:17 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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These gay activists simply do not believe in human freedom. If someone wants to try and pursue change of orientation, who is this jerk to tell them they can't try it.

In all fairness, if someone wants to go against nature and become a homosexual they're all in favor of it.

12 posted on 06/17/2006 7:35:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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If people are "born" homosexual, then why are they always trying to recruit more homosexuals?

I think the most accepted school of thought among psychologists and sociologists is that ones sexuality is determined during childhood and that once it becomes established it's next to impossible to change. That's why the recidivism rate among child molesters is so high.

13 posted on 06/17/2006 8:31:03 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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Thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 06/17/2006 9:20:29 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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In yet another frontal attack on “ex-gay” ministries, a well-known homosexual activist held a press conference at the National Press Club last week to launch a new organization that he has dubbed “Truth Wins Out.”

I have a name idea for his group; how about "Biology Wins Out!"

--any other ideas?

15 posted on 06/17/2006 9:30:09 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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Wayne Besen, who insists that people are born “gay” and cannot overcome homosexual desires

Ironically, that puts this idiot in the exact same ideological camp as Fred Phelps and his "god hates f@gs" campaign--he also believes that gays can't change.
16 posted on 06/17/2006 9:48:16 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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Thousands of people each year are counseled to stop drinking and taking drugs. When they relapse, does that mean that they being a drug addict or alcholic is 'they they really are'? Is that their genetic self?

Gay groups are desparately afraid that it will be unquestionably proven that being 'gay' is just an ethical problem and they are basically just unethical in their persuit of unbridled hedonism.

17 posted on 06/17/2006 9:48:51 PM PDT by bpjam (If we take 12M Mexicans, they have to take Kennedy & McCain!)
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After the speakers finished, Mr. Besen declined to take any questions, inviting the press instead to talk to him and the other participants privately.

I haven't watched a lot of National Press Club events, but this is the first that I know of that ended with no questions. It sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

18 posted on 06/17/2006 10:59:16 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (New popular baby names for daughters of liberals: Fallujah, Haditha, Murtha)
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They would wriggle out of this one by saying they were born like it and it is their choice to practice equating it with heterosexual behaviour of being born that way but you do not have to be sexual active.
19 posted on 06/18/2006 3:23:11 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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This is such a complex issue, far more complicated that being 'born' homosexual, or it being a 'choice'.

My own opinion is that 'homosexual orientation' manifests from numerous circumstances, which would enable some to be cured through therapy, and others not.

Here are some possible suggested 'varieties', thrown into the pot for concideration:

1. 'homosexual orientation' is formed while in the womb - in this case it isn't genetic, but would be unlikely to be curable through therapy (these might be cases where physical features and manerisms attributed to homosexuals are present).

2. 'homosexual orientation' is 'learned' because of sexual abuse during childhood - therapy might work, since this isn't necesarily a 'chemical' formation as in the womb, but it has been imposed during vulnerable formative years.

3. a homosexual practitioner who is simply prone to sexual addiction, and does it because it's 'interestingly perverted'

4. 'homosexual practitioners' who have been encouraged into it during teen years, and decided they like it

This provides a real variety of 'types' of homosexual.
(More in my profile.)

I believe it to be blinkered to say that every homosexual can be cured of homosexual desires -- just as saying that homosexuality cannot be cured is also equally as blinkered.

It really isn't so simple.

This said... all of these cases are disorders and deviant perversions of nature. Even if cases were proved to be incurable, or individuals chose not to accept therapy, it doesn't make acting on their sexual desires with others a right or good thing.
There is such a thing as abstainance, or private mastabation, where society isn't 'polluted' by the disorder. The offer of cure is a very positive thing, for those who might benefit from it. For others, they need educating to accept that they have a disorder, and that indulging it with others is a dangerous and destructive path.


20 posted on 06/18/2006 6:41:28 AM PDT by mikeyc
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