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Ann Coulter vs. Michael Moore
Newsmax ^ | 16 June 2006 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 06/16/2006 5:05:55 PM PDT by ChessExpert

“As he turned to assault the next bunker an NVA machine gun opened up and he was mortally wounded. Captain Sosa-Camejo's valorous action and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army."

From his limousine Michael Moore sneers at this Cuban-American and his Band of Brothers as wimps and crybabies "with a yellow stripe down their backs."

Maybe I'm biased, but nothing – absolutely nothing – Ann Coulter has said about Murtha, Kerry or McClellan strikes me as remotely comparable in vileness, cowardice and rank stupidity as Michael Moore's blanket calumny against some of the bravest men of the 20th century.”

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; coulter; fontova; michaelmoore; skinnyvsfatty
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To: JTN; Sam Hill

I got punished by Sam Hill the other night, he evicted me from his ping list! Seeing him in action here makes me glad. I guess you could say I was a Sam Hillbot until then, I thought his stuff was solid. He provides original material, and that is what we signed up for.

He used his ping list to gang-pile on another FReeper. His position in that argument appears to have been correct, but calling in the posse (who never showed up!) was weak. I got FReepmails thanking me for speaking up, Sam Hill "has gotten too big for his britches" was the comment that stuck out the most.

His ping: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1648768/posts?page=532#532

I responded at #572, and by #575 it was ovah!


181 posted on 06/16/2006 8:18:34 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: labette
Don't dismiss the possibility she is causing "moderates" to look in the mirror and examine themselves. . And not like the reflection.

I'm more inclined to think that she causes moderates not to like her, but I guess you'd have to ask them.

182 posted on 06/16/2006 8:22:39 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN
No, if we take your word for it, that means what she said is wrong.

You may not like Ann Coulter for some reason. Fine. But calling her a liar on that kind of evidence is unwarranted and, given that you seem to be decrying her lack of civility, hypocritical on your part.

Let's assume that you're right and Ann is vicious a hack for pro-American conservatism as Moore is for anti-American leftism.

I could understand you decrying on her own merits in that case.... But what I cannot understand is why you would then act as though that means the two are equivalent to one another. That would only be justified if conservatism and leftism were, in you mind, roughly equivalent to to conservatism. But they're not.

If you don't believe they are equivalent-- and I know you do not-- why write as if they are? If you dislike Coulter's hyperbole, why not respond to a thread about her with a post devoid of hyperbole the exemplifies what you think she should?
183 posted on 06/16/2006 8:22:44 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Sam Hill
Similarly, I believe it is even possible to avoid the works of Ann Coulter, if one finds them unpleasant.

Not really. You seem to be operating on the premise that those of us who find her inflammatory comments detrimental disagree with her overall message. I can only speak for myself, obviously. I think Ann is intelligent and is right, but her delivery is burdensome and counterproductive. There is enough there without having to wallow.

185 posted on 06/16/2006 8:26:36 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: mjolnir

You've got my vote, mjolnir.

I realize now that the TITLE of this thread may be worth 3100 reads on a Friday night. The artice is good too!

By the way, my internet connection is getting spotty, so good night and thanks for all the fun.


186 posted on 06/16/2006 8:30:11 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: wolf24

Well, I agree and disagree. I don't put Ann in the same category as Rush. Rush and others change minds by sound reason, not hyperbole. Rush's sense of humor stops short of the overblown, and is certainly not hysterical.


187 posted on 06/16/2006 8:30:40 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: JTN
My interpretation:

As for the "entirely circumstantial" evidence, Coplon, a federal employee, was arrested while meeting with a Russian agent. Coplon had not taken the classified documents from her purse, and was not handing them to him. In another five minutes she probably would have, and of course the meeting itself was damning (but circumstantial) evidence. Yes, Soviet cables confirmed that Coplon was a Soviet agent — but for security reasons, the government had not used those cables as evidence.

Hmm...sound like the review DID say the evidence was circumstantial - although Ann was correct. The woman was there to hand over classified documents in her purse. That MAY qualify as circumstantial to a liberal, but most of us (particularly those of us with government clearances) realize you aren't supposed to be walking around with classified documents. When you carry those to a soviet spy, it is both circumstatial and damned obvious to anyone interested in the truth.

So here I was, a non-liberal favorably reviewing a book that exposes a communist spy, and I am accused of "refusal to accept any evidence that any person ever spied for the Soviet Union."

I think Ann was refering, not to the reviewer, but to the liberal Seattle paper and the liberals that defended her since the evidence was just that she took classified documents to a soviet spy.

BTW - I know nothing about the case except what I read in this post, so I could be making a bunch of factual errors.

188 posted on 06/16/2006 8:31:08 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: mjolnir
Our girl is an American Patriot. Go Annie. We love you.

..Coulter Tells Leno She Wears Liberal Contempt as 'a Badge of Honor' June 15, 2006

189 posted on 06/16/2006 8:31:21 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I'll back Coulter with her hands cuffed behind her back over FatBoy.

Ditto's to that!

190 posted on 06/16/2006 8:32:07 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Radix

Why did Michael Chapman sue Ann Coulter?
Unlike Ann, Michael Chapman is not about publicity.
Ann took his info and made it like she was the one who wrote his stuff.


191 posted on 06/16/2006 8:39:44 PM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: mjolnir
No, if we take your word for it, that means what she said is wrong.

Don't take my word for it. You can read the book review here (you'll have to scroll down a bit).

Tell me whether or not you think Ann's portrayal is accurate. Tell me whether or not you think it is even possible to interpret it as "Liberal refusal to accept any evidence that any person ever spied for the Soviet Union..."

But what I cannot understand is why you would then act as though that means the two are equivalent to one another. That would only be justified if conservatism and leftism were, in you mind, roughly equivalent to to conservatism.

I don't see how. Lies and smears are equally wrong regardless of whether they are intended to push people to the right or to the left.

If you dislike Coulter's hyperbole, why not respond to a thread about her with a post devoid of hyperbole the exemplifies what you think she should?

I don't believe my post contained any hyperbole, but here goes anyway. She should tell the truth and make her case patiently, rationally and without invective. I know it doesn't sell as many books, but I think it is more effective in the long run.

192 posted on 06/16/2006 8:43:14 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Time to lighten this thread up. Here is a clip for all the Coulter Fans:

This is a Fox News Montage of Ann's Best Sound Bites.  This video is a keeper!

Or Click Here to Watch 1.1 MB Low
Quality .wmv Video if You Are On Dial Up

And now for a training film to learn how to properly call someone a liar.

Click Image to Watch low quality 1.1 MB video in .wmv format

If you have a high speed connection, CLICK HERE for the 5.7 MB High Quality .wmv Video

193 posted on 06/16/2006 8:48:37 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: Mr Rogers
Hmm...sound like the review DID say the evidence was circumstantial - although Ann was correct.

Yes -- the evidence in the court case.

The woman was there to hand over classified documents in her purse. That MAY qualify as circumstantial to a liberal, but most of us (particularly those of us with government clearances) realize you aren't supposed to be walking around with classified documents. When you carry those to a soviet spy, it is both circumstatial and damned obvious to anyone interested in the truth.

According to the article in question, Coplon had a right to the documents in her purse. And the reviewer agrees with you; the meeting was both damning and circumstantial.

I think Ann was refering, not to the reviewer, but to the liberal Seattle paper and the liberals that defended her since the evidence was just that she took classified documents to a soviet spy.

Then why quote this particular review? It clearly does not support the point she is trying to make.

BTW - I know nothing about the case except what I read in this post, so I could be making a bunch of factual errors.

Fair enough. If you care to read about the case, you can do so here. For the record, that's a link to a U.S. gov't website.

194 posted on 06/16/2006 8:52:33 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN
She should tell the truth and make her case patiently, rationally and without invective. I know it doesn't sell as many books, but I think it is more effective in the long run.

You can't be effective if you can't sell your books. Selling lots of books is a good indication that you are "being effective".

Nothing worse than a long boring tome in today's culture wars.

196 posted on 06/16/2006 8:56:45 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: KJC1
I got punished by Sam Hill the other night, he evicted me from his ping list! . . . He used his ping list to gang-pile on another FReeper.

Oy, you're a mendacious wretch! I was on that thread; you came into the thread half-cocked and assumed he was "gang-piling" on an (abusive) poster. You patronizingly asked him not to ping you "this way again." So he took you off.

Tonite you're in here like a jilted lover quibbling with SH with your silly rhetorical suppositions "Does her rhetoric help? I do not think it does . . . it is lowbrow and it is not appreciated by the masses, who by the way, are voters. So do the math again on how turning off voters helps win elections?"

I don't know how to spell it out any clearer than this: NUMBER 1 NY TIMES BEST SELLER. You don't think it's "appreciated by the masses?" And you know this how? I suppose 50,000 people (so far) putting down cash to buy the thing indicates what?

All you are is some initials on a screen and you've figured out how to become a best-selling author. Your hauteur would be breathtaking if you weren't such a pathetic twit.

Your opinion of AC is obviously colored by your immature reaction to Sam Hill. Go ahead and flatter yourself with your banal locutions and leave the SH to his important work.

197 posted on 06/16/2006 9:00:46 PM PDT by youngjim ("This is the business we've chosen")
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
You can't be effective if you can't sell your books. Selling lots of books is a good indication that you are "being effective".

That depends on who is buying them. How many of Ann's books do you think are not being sold to the already convinced. I bet it's a relatively small number.

198 posted on 06/16/2006 9:02:04 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: wolf24

I think your approach is reasonable. I disagree with it, but you do make sense.

The angry Gore, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, etc over-the-top stuff has turned people off, not ON.

I just don't want us to go there. As I said in my very first post to this thread, there is a way to administer a direct hit without ever rolling around in the trash.


199 posted on 06/16/2006 9:02:34 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: youngjim

LOL. Funny post.


200 posted on 06/16/2006 9:03:41 PM PDT by KJC1
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