Posted on 06/05/2006 4:14:43 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
U.S. officials believe Canadian arrests over the weekend and three recent domestic incidents in the United States are evidence the U.S. will soon be hit again by a terrorist attack. Privately, they say, they'd be surprised if it didn't come by the end of the year, reports CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart.
The first of the domestic incidents, all of which drew little attention at the time, began with the holdup of a string of Torrance, Calif. gas stations last summer. Muslim converts who bonded together in prison planned to use the robberies to finance attacks on 20 Army recruiting stations.
Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton admits they stumbled on the plot during a search.
"Make no mistake about it," Bratton said. "We dodged a bullet here — perhaps many bullets."
Police in Toledo, Ohio, busted another cell in February. This one consisted of three men training to attack U.S. forces overseas. Once again, luck played a role. When they tried to enlist someone in their mosque to help, he turned them in.
"These individuals are often hiding in plain sight in cities like Torrance and now Toledo," says John Pistole, a FBI deputy director.
Two months ago, a pair of Atlanta men, one a Georgia Tech engineering student, were arrested not long after communicating by e-mail with two of the suspects arrested in Canada over the weekend. The Atlanta men are charged with videotaping domestic targets, including the U.S. Capitol and the World Bank.
Analysts now conclude similarities between all the cases were dramatic: All were self-financed, self-motivated, and in each case the men were seeking out others to join their cell.
In short, Osama bin Laden didn't pay for these plots, recruit for them or even know of them. They were all totally homegrown — even amateurish. But if four, including the one in Canada, have been uncovered in just 11 months, officials fear there are inevitably other plots that have not been and are maturing even now.
The next attack here, officials predict, will bear no resemblance to Sept. 11. The casualty toll will not be that high, the target probably not that big. We may not even recognize it for what it is at first, they say. But it's coming — of that they seem certain.
No evidence, I meant to post "IMO".
Gut instinct is fine, just wanted clarification.
Evidence, however, is another matter.
I was watching a program the other night about the possible effects of a severe solar storm. I won't go into all the details but one thing caught my attention. There are six points that could be destroyed and shut down the entire electrical grid of the US.
Thanks for telling us, I muttered under my breath.
(B) "You are all doom and gloom. So, what reaction do YOU think would NOT set the stage for "chaos or enslavement"? Or are we doomed where we stand?"
Kind of, and I'm damned if I know.
(Hey, I try to be honest here)
I guess my point was that whatever we do, it's going to be "the wrong thing" in lots of people's minds...most obvious alternative in MY mind is to do what you believe to be right.
And, again in my mind, that is to lay havoc on those who would do you harm.
Feels great (!)
Hope it works if it is the alternative "our government" selects.(?)
I'd have preferred that option back in '73-'75 when the stakes were a WHOLE lot lower.
When Reagan won the first time, the left was shellshocked for months.
They live in an echo chamber inside a bubble and mistake it for reality. It is what we are always warned against: believing your own PR.
There's nothing significant about the date 9/11 at all.
The weather was perfectly clear that day; I'm sure if it had been overcast from Boston to DC they would have postponed the whole thing.
The first thing to fall off that plane was the vertical stabilizer. And only that part. It was found over Jamaica Bay.
That would be impossible for a shoe bomber to accomplish unless he was hanging on to the tail outside the plane and put his foot on the vertical stabilizer joint.
Still amazes me how people desperately want that to have been a terrorist attack.
There's a very strange phenomenon where people can eventually start subconsciously rooting for bad stuff to happen they've were warning about...it's not limited to the right...Jesse Jackson no doubt spends a lot of time hoping some dumb Rednecks lynch a black guy so he can get media attention and whine and lecture, and is disapponted every day it doesn't happen. Envirowhackos and Al Gore are undoubtedly hoping for a zillion bad hurricane landfalls this year, etc.
I used to read the Timebomb 2000 forums and it was blantantly obvious the Y2K=end of civilization nuts were HOPING it would happen; people derive near-sexual levels of pleasure about warning about bad stuff, and then seeing it happen, so they can then gloat about it afterwards and laugh at the people that didn't believe them. After Jan. 1 2000 rolled around it was pathetic to see how they were frantically scanning every news source in the world desperately hoping to find the end of civilization starting somewhere - reports of a blackout in India in January 2001 sent them into orgasms of joy (of course, they didn't know there were ALWAYS blackouts in India). After about 3 months, they finally gave up. Anyone who reads a lot of terrorism threads and also stuff on the internet has to be aware there are a heck of a lot of people getting (subconsciously) disappointed and upset at the failure of a Muslim terror attack crossing the Mexican border to occur... And the clear excitment and frenzy that people get into at even the slightest rumor of the possibility of one, even from the most dubious of sources (also look at the proliferation of specious nonsense terror rumor sites like the Northeast Intelligence Network, telling people what they want to hear) suggests to me it's not "out of line" to speculate that quite a lot of people are subconsciously sort of hoping for one. Also look at how upset people get on threads about things that they think could be terror incidents but turn out to be accidents....and they take out their frustration at the people suggesting it wasn't a terror attack. And let's face it; the only way Tancredo for President isn't a laughable joke is if there's some terror attack killing thousands from someone crossing the Mexican border. That's the plain truth. At one time I was about the only person with the above observations, but it's occuring to more and more people. And it's not just hoping for a terror attack crossing the Mexican border; it's hoping for one because a lot of people clearly spend a heck of a lot of time faantasizing about Mecca being nuked or random nukes being lobbed into Muslim countries, etc, and they figure the only way it can happen is if there's a really massive terror attack here. Psychology is a strange thing, and a lot of people won't explicitly verbalize their subconscious hopes.
"You are all doom and gloom. "
There are a lot of posters here who are the same way -
Strangly enough, they will all say they are against the terrorists, while helping the spread of fear and doom and gloom exactly as the terrorists want.
... and don't forget - like the TV psychics, if they happen to get a hit they will trumpet it and everyone will think how great they are, but when they are wrong everyone forgets about it.
How about these ---
I see a bus and a cliff, and the number 40
or
A plane in pieces and red on it's tail ...
I can guarantee a "hit" on these in the next 12 months ...
The president is the chief executive officer - he is supposed to enforce the laws of the land. The laws of the land prohibit border crossing by people who have not gone through the legal process to obtain permission to cross the boarder. The laws of the land prohibit employers from hiring illegal aliens.
However, Bush apparently has decided that the immigration laws are not to be enforced, and sets about to change them, and he does not expend much effort to enforce them. He is not acting as president - he is acting as most exalted dictator. He is not carrying out the laws as written, he is determining which should be enforced, and which shouldn't, according to his whims. He is not carrying out the office of a president.
"They do seem to like to plan major atacks on significants dates 911 for instance."
Curious - Why do you think they arranged their plans to fit OUR calendar rather then the Islamic calendar ?
Answer - Significant to the enemy which is us. Another example would of been the Islamic Algerian national Ahmed Ressam, arrested at the U.S./Canadian border in December 1999 and charged with plotting to bomb Los Angeles International Airport on the eve of the millennium. I turn your question back to you, what does New Years mean to someone following the Islamic Calendar?
Oh cripes, that's not what was said. You cannot deny that folks would love to say "told ya" and BTW, I like Tancredo and left to me I'd seal the border with 100.000 troops if necessary to stop the illegal invasion.
"...laces like Hamtrack (sp?)MI, Plainfield, NJ and NYC are crawling with the followers of allah..."
I am familiar with Plainfield, NJ and aside from the occasional Kalypso Louie follower selling papers I don't see anything that would lead me to believe there were a lot of followers of allah in this town. I will have to keep a closer eye on the goings on of this town.
"I turn your question back to you, what does New Years mean to someone following the Islamic Calendar?"
It means a lot of people and a lot of publicity - maximum impact - worldwide networks are in place to instantaneously transmit the info to billions of people worldwide. For example, the Winter Olympics in Munich. The actual numerical date didn't matter.
well, here's a wager that if it doesn't happen, CBS will stage it......
I wouldn't blame Pres. Bush for the attack. I would blame the attackers.
Its not possible to stop enemies who have absolutely no national allegience from infiltrating the country, and we're not willing to declare the enemy as "Islam."
Plainfield was mentioned by Steve Emerson on Hannity and Colmes. Apparently there is a mosque there that has been known to have "questionable" Imams and followers..
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