How innocent are the 'innocents' at haditha ?(the cover-up by the MSM lynch mob )

Democracy Project ^ | June 4, 2006 | Bruce Kesler

[IrishMike]

These two children in neighboring houses in Haditha tell heart-rending stories of Marines brutally killing their relatives.

Yet, Iman reveals in one interview that she knew in advance of the IED that would explode to kill the passing Marines. If the child knew, isn’t it likely their adults knew? Isn’t it likely that they may have more than knew?

The unnamed interviewer doesn’t follow-up, any more that the earlier “Iraqi journalism student” did. Anymore than the many MSM remote reporters and commentators who so frequently repeat the childrens’ likely tutored comments.

For example, here’s the ABC narrative:

May 28, 2006 — After a small group of Marines stormed the Younis family home in Haditha last November, everybody inside was killed — except one person.

ABC News has obtained an interview with the sole survivor, 12-year-old Safa Younis. The interview was done by a local Iraqi journalism student about one week after the killings on Nov. 19, 2005….

On the new tape shot by an Iraqi journalism student and given to ABC News by the Hammurabi Human Rights Group in Iraq, Younis, soft-spoken, with rounded cheeks and a headscarf, begins by calmly telling the interviewer, "My name is Safa Younis. I'm 12 years old." The interviewer asks, "What did the American soldiers do when they broke into the house?"

"They knocked at the door," Younis says. "My father went to open it, they shot him dead from behind the door, and then they shot him again after they opened the door."

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

That's an interesting perspective, I guess, if one ignores the differences between fascism and democracy.

Would this be the same "democracy" that put Hamas in charge of the Palestinian parliament a while ago? The same "democracy" that our founding fathers were skeptical of? Hitler was appointed chancellor based on a DEMOCRATIC parliamentary vote, speaking of fascism.

As far as killing innocents in cold blood goes, that is unacceptable even when it's in the name of democracy, liberty, or justice.

[VRWCmember]

I do not know if Haditha was a war crime, and neither does anyone else at this point. But intentional killing of civilian bystanders is a violation of US military law and should be prosecuted when it happens.

Are you presuming that US forces intentionally killed civilian bystanders? Are you presuming that all these "civilian" dead were civilian bystanders, when the insurgents terrorists almost always dress in civilian garb rather than military or paramilitary uniforms?

[Restorer]

>>I do not know if Haditha was a war crime, and neither does anyone else at this point.<<

What part of the above sentence do you not understand?

The accusation is that civilian bystanders were intentionally killed by Marines. I have no idea if that has happened. However, such things happen in every war, and have absolutely no relationship to whether the war is just or not.

The difference is whether such actions are part of the policy of the military force involved, or are prohibited and prosecuted by it.

BTW, those dressed in civilian clothes and attacking soldiers are not legal combatants under the Geneva Convention and are legally subject to execution immediately on apprehension. A distinction generally lost on the MSM.


The question is not whether such illegal combatants can be legally executed. It is whether these individuals fit into that category.

What is the point of having rules if we promptly begin making excuses for those breaking them? Some of the excuses trotted out for these soldiers sound remarkably like excuses made by liberals for civilian criminality.

[Robert A Cook PE]

In the midst of all these accusations (all from insurgents or insurgent-directed groups or anti-Bush coming up with statements and claims made AFTER monetary claims were denied by the US!) what specific evidence has any one showed that Marines DID kill these deliberately and specifically - rather than as accidental bystanders or co-defendents?

We see here explicit vivid proof that at least SOME of the supposed photographs of the shootings WERE NOT of people killed by Marines, but of innocents KILLED BY the terrorists in that village. Yet the MSM IS presenting THESE ABSOLUTE LIES as evidence that Marines did the shooting!

If a terror cell deliberately lines up, blindfolds, ties, and murders innocents by shooting them against a wall, why can you claim they would not lie about Marines killing women and children.

Why can you can not accept the notion that these murders would not threaten or intimidate a child (or two - since two 12 year olds seem to have different versions of the same event at two different times to two different audiences of duped newswriters) into lying about what might have happened?

[george76]

Thanks for the post.

Our marines wear uniforms while the terrorists wear civilian clothes and hide behind civilians.

Then when the terrorists kill civilians, our marines get blamed by the old media, immediately.

The old media is back to their "Fake but Accurate" tricks again.

[Vaduz]

Good money for the fear pimps now days because so many of the 15 to 40 can't read so they tune in to the tube for news.

[lonedawg]

Innocents die in war!3000 innocents died on 911, This whole town was awash in insurgent activity.Islamist scumbags have always used civilians to hide behind ,these civilians aren't always innocent. The real story here is the treacherous liberal media spin. Lets face it folks, a third of the people in this country are rooting for the insurgents and they are being rallied by the liberal Horse$hit media and the Democratic National Committee.All Dems are not traitors but the majority of their leadership would gladly trade a US defeat in Iraq for a few more House or Senate seats.

[Robert A Cook PE]

I will not accept the Marines "losing the self-control" or "deliberately shooting" bystanders and innocents - even in war.

But, it might have happened. SOMEBODY (other than the shooters themselves apparently - and EVEN THAT is in dispute!) got shot that day.

We can't tolerate or excuse that happening .....

BUT - Big BUT - that the media is deliberately ignoring - is that WE DELBERATELY try to avoid such shooting, investigate and prosecute it when it does happen, train our people NOT to try to allow it to happen.

The terrorists DELIBEREATELY instigate and exploit such tragedies. THEY deliberately shoot innocents, bomb innocents, and shoot women.

But the media excuses, ignores, and exploits THEIR deliberately killing to attack Bush and attack America.

[bandleader]

I saw this two-days ago"Newsmax"and tried to get someone here to pick up on this!FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

[IrishMike]

The 'White Widows' were widowed housewife's in Russia during WWII, and were legendary snipers.
The struck terror into the German soldiers. 1916 Dublin, Ireland During the uprising for independance at the General Post Office in Dublin, when the republicans surrendered to the English army, the were executed. One was 16 years old. Women and Children have throughout history 'engaged' in battle.

[agrace]

That's incredible.

[IrishMike]

Well said and I absolutely agree !

[IrishMike]

I saw this two-days ago"Newsmax"and tried to get someone here to pick up on this!FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

PLAYING YOUR TUNE !

[girlangler]

"So at CNN's request, a human rights organization went back to Haditha with a camera to interview survivors."

This sentence sent a red flag up for me.

Any decent journalist knows these organization members have an agenda, and therefore would not report the facts. They'd use this ASSIGNMENT to further their agenda.

Doesn't CNN have reporters in Iraq? Why let a biased organization with an AGENDA of its own report this story?

This is a setup.

[MHGinTN]

And now that we've learned Palestinians are moving in to direct 'insurgency' in that Province, is it any wonder that Sunnis will be slaughtered in attempts to create atrocities? Having invited them in, the Sunnis will be devoured by the same blood lust animals that feast in Gaza and Lebanon.

[girlangler]

The story is also based on the reporting of a "human rights organization," or, let's rephrase that to "anti war organization," so you know it has to be unbiased and factual, certainly reported without any agenda driven purpose.

[girlangler]

The story is also based on the reporting of a "human rights organization," or, let's rephrase that to "anti war organization," so you know it has to be unbiased and factual, certainly reported without any agenda driven purpose.

[jveritas]

The Haditha incident is going to become a nightmare for liberals and their media because as usual they have badly over played their hands, and they will be seen by “majority of voters” as attacking the troops in times of war rather than anything else.