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Bush is the Next Reagan
Persian Journal ^ | Jun 4, 2006 | Slater Bakhtavar

Posted on 06/04/2006 2:24:14 PM PDT by nuconvert

Bush is the Next Reagan

Jun 4, 2006

Slater Bakhtavar - Persian Journal

The same people who heavily criticized former President Reagan for his tough stance against Communism and for his aggressive push for democracy in Eastern Europe are now attacking President Bush for his tough stance against fundamentalism and his aggressive push for democracy in the Middle East.

-They argued then that Communism would never fall - it did They argue now that Islamic Fundamentalism will never fall - it will

-They argued then that the Soviet Union is too strong - it wasn't

They argue now that the insurgency is too strong - it isn't

-They argued that Reagans vision of democracy in East Europe would never work - it did

They argue now that Bushs vision of democracy for the mid-east would never work - it will

They argued then that Reagans evil empire speech was a failure - it wasn't

They argue now that Bushs axis of evil speech is a failure - it won't be

-They argued then that former soviet bloc countries wouldn't embrace democracy - they did

They argue now that middle east countries would never embrace democracy - they will

-They argued then that Eastern Europeans nations would never be our allies - they are

They argue now that middle eastern countries will never be our allies - they will be

-They argued then that people without God could never embrace democracy - they did

They argue now that Muslims will never embrace democracy - they will

-They argued then that President Reagan was unrealistic - he wasn't

They argue now that President Bush is unrealistic - he'll prove he isn't

-They argued then democracy isn't universal to former Communists - it was

They argue now democracy isn't universal to Middle Easterners - it will be

-They argued then that funding of pro-democracy groups in Eastern European countries won't work - it did

They argue now that funding of pro-democracy groups won't work in the Middle East - it will

The same exact critcism was directed at Reagan. The future will be the judge of President Bush and my guess is that he will be judged as the Great Liberator of the Middle East.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; bushdoctrineunfolds; deify; democracy; liberators; middleeast; reagan; spendalot; strongleader; weakposters; worstprezever
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To: ohioWfan

President Bush isn't in the same league as President Reagan and never will be. He has neither the vision, the personality, or the ability to inspire that Reagan did. Neither is he as much a believer in or a promoter of conservatism as Reagn was. History will judge him as a good president, but he will never be seen as great.


601 posted on 06/05/2006 2:21:24 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ronaldus Magnimus = The GREAT One!)
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To: Ptaz
" I think history will paint him very positively, but his major problem is communication and taking his message to the people the way Reagan did."

President Bush just doesn't have Reagan's charisma, wisdom or wit, as well as his ability to communicate.

The enthusiasm President Reagan generated for conservatism is unsurpassed.

602 posted on 06/05/2006 2:25:35 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ronaldus Magnimus = The GREAT One!)
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To: tabsternager
No, the biggest mistake is to do nothing about controlling the borders, while pushing for amnesty. And that's Bush's "mistake."

I don't care for the all or nothing crowd.

603 posted on 06/05/2006 2:39:50 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: ohioWfan

I don't need a lecture from you about conservative values.
You asked me a question about Sandra Day O'Conner's appointmnet by Reagan, and I answered your question honetly without defending Reagan about that appointment, which is more that are willing to do about policy mistakes Bush has made.

Reagan also made a mistake ingranting amnesty, but unlike Bush, he did not have a 9/11 to deal with. The borders should have been closed down, the day 9/11 happened. To this day the borders should still be closed and a wall built.


604 posted on 06/05/2006 2:48:27 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: TAdams8591
Would you rather have a glib talker, or someone who actually gets things done, as president?

Reagan was a good president, but you are part of the mythology group. Reagan didn't increase the number of seats in both Houses, whilst President Bush has. Reagan TALKED about abortion, but President Bush got the ant-PBA Bill pushed through Congress and don't come back at me about how a court later nullified it; you can't blame the president for that. And while Reagan lowered tax brackets, he then went along with RAISING TAXES, several times over. President Bush has NOT done that! Reagan turned tail and ran, when our Marines were killed in Lebanon; President Bush is hanging tough in Afghanistan and in Iraq. And all of that is just for starters.

605 posted on 06/05/2006 2:53:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: tennmountainman
The terrorists, who were involved in 9/11 came to American LEGALLY and via airplanes. Other terrorists have come through our much more porous NORTHERN BORDER with Canada, which is a hotbed of Islamonazi cells. And then, there are our own HOME GROWN ones.

"FORTRESS AMERICA" is NOYT going to fly and wasn't going to even on September 12, 2001.

606 posted on 06/05/2006 2:57:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Thats nonsense. I'm from securing all borders including Canada. In addition, we don't have millions of Canadians flooding across our borders in search of welfare, free health care, and food stamps.
Secure the Border. Build a wall. Hail to the brave minutemen!


607 posted on 06/05/2006 3:03:19 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

It's hardly "nonsense"; unlike your replies. :-)


608 posted on 06/05/2006 3:06:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Bush says that he's pro-life, but he signed bills which gave money to Planned Parenthood and the World Health Organization, two groups who perform abortions. Bush's budgets increase spending, with a greater percentage of increase, than Clinton's budgets. The Depts. of HUD, HHS, and Education received at least 28% more in 2004 than in 2001. Bush wants to let some illegal immigrants stay in the U.S. longer. Reagan was conservative, and Bush isn't.


609 posted on 06/05/2006 3:08:02 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: ClaireSolt
We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world...

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

--GW Bush

North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)

Is this the choice 'his party' made by nominating him?
610 posted on 06/05/2006 3:13:59 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: PhilCollins
Who controls the American "purse-strings? Hint, hint...it isn't the president.

Name one, just ONE, GOP president, in the last 50+ years, who cut spending and didn't "fund" HUD,HHS, and the Department of Education.

Reagan gave BLANKET AMNESTY to ALL illegals and did NOTHING whatsoever to shut down the borders.

611 posted on 06/05/2006 3:15:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Secure the border. Build a wall.


612 posted on 06/05/2006 3:29:02 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: nopardons
Who controls the American "purse-strings?

The president directs the Secretary of the Treasury to dispense monies through executive order for his pet programs. This effectively is without any congressional oversight because congress doesn't revoke EOs very often at all.
613 posted on 06/05/2006 3:52:52 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: ohioWfan

What good is "doing something" when it has the same effect as doing nothing? It's the same thing.

Bush isn't stupid. It's obvious he has no desire to stop illegal aliens from flooding into the country, but he thinks he can pull the wool over our eyes by having "increased electronic surveillance" and "increased numbers of border patrol."

It sure worked with you, though.


614 posted on 06/05/2006 3:59:00 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: nopardons
President Bush has NOT done that! Reagan turned tail and ran, when our Marines were killed in Lebanon;

I wouldn't describe it that way. In his speech right after the bombing he made it clear why we were there, and why we had to stay. He had every intention of staying and fighting, but in the months that followed things did not go our way. I'm going to post a thread about Reagan and Lebanon in the near future. I've had it with people trashing Reagan. With all his many positives and a few negatives, Reagan's place in history is set. He will be remembered as one of the greats as he already is by many.

By trashing Reagan, you're losing what little support you have for GWB outside of the true believers. It's petty, and makes it look like you have very little positive with which to defend your guy.

615 posted on 06/05/2006 4:05:45 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: nuconvert
I won't read all of this thread because I am sure it will make my blood pressure go up. I do want to say to those who say that Reagan never compromised, they are rewriting history. He did, and he did so because that is how to govern. I read Peggy Noonan's book about the Reagan years, the first one, not when Character Was King. There is instance after instance of conservatives being angry because he compromised. He was a wonderful man, and a wonderful President because he knew he led the entire country, not just his party. The same goes for President Bush.
616 posted on 06/05/2006 4:11:21 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: nuconvert

Bush is the next Reagan?" Where have I heard it before? Oh yeah, 'Bobby Vee is the next Buddy Holly' and 'Michael Bolton is the next Otis Redding'!


617 posted on 06/05/2006 4:14:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: EternalVigilance
George W. Bush is renowned for his consistent ability to mangle a phrase.

Hee, hee, hee.

Rattling the bots. I love it.

618 posted on 06/05/2006 4:27:23 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!!!)
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To: nopardons
"The terrorists, who were involved in 9/11 came to American LEGALLY and via airplanes"

Several overstayed their visas or never showed up for school in the first place. That is illegal. Those laws are no better enforced now than they were pre-9/11. In fact, internal enforcement has dropped from nearly nothing to really effectively nothing.
619 posted on 06/05/2006 4:33:25 PM PDT by WFBFan
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To: nopardons; tennmountainman
The terrorists, who were involved in 9/11 came to American LEGALLY and via airplanes.

You guys always forget to add that they overstayed their visas and therefore were illegal aliens. (It almost sounds as if you are defending them)

620 posted on 06/05/2006 4:35:12 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!!!)
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