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The Organic Food Fad is officially dead
Federal Review ^ | Sunday, June 04, 2006

Posted on 06/04/2006 11:08:53 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

The New York Times reports that Wal-Mart, the bane of all limousine liberals and aging hippies, has entered the "crunchy granola" market:

Beginning later this year, Wal-Mart plans to roll out a complete selection of organic foods — food certified by the U.S.D.A. to have been grown without synthetic pesticides or fertilizers — in its nearly 4,000 stores. Just as significant, the company says it will price all this organic food at an eye-poppingly tiny premium over its already-cheap conventional food: the organic Cocoa Puffs and Oreos will cost only 10 percent more than the conventional kind. Organic food will soon be available to the tens of millions of Americans who now cannot afford it — indeed, who have little or no idea what the term even means. Organic food, which represents merely 2.5 percent of America's half-trillion-dollar food economy, is about to go mainstream.

With organic food about to become as "mainstream" and "middle America" as Ford Explorers, Kraft singles and "American Idol," how long before the so-called "elites" find it no longer has the same "counterculture" appeal as Volvos, brie and NPR?


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KEYWORDS: agriculture; fads; food; grocery; organicfood
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To: Concho

A trip through an organic foods market is better than going to a movie.
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Sounds like a horror film...

;)


161 posted on 06/04/2006 3:35:20 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: A. Pole
"Must be some stuff left in, maybe something else than caffeine?"

My guess( because you like mostly natural organic), is that it is really all natural low- caffeine washed it water, but it still will have some caffeine in it.

The only way I know to remove it all is with a chemical degreaser. And thats not my cup of tea...pun intended.

I could be wrong?
162 posted on 06/04/2006 3:37:57 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

bookmark for later reading and printing.


163 posted on 06/04/2006 3:40:24 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: A. Pole

>Care to try to define, in scientific terms, exactly what "organic food" is?
For me it does not have to be completely organic, even some natural/organic components ruin the taste or you health.

Good example is the adulterated cream - now they put locust bean gum from the carob tree or similar gum junk almost everywhere. It is HORRIBLE and sold at Whole Foods too!

BTW, they use these "natural" gums to develop Krohn Disease in laboratory animals.

Haagen-Dazs (expensive) and some flavors of Breyer (affordable) icecream are not contaminated with it (plain chocolate).<

Well, none of this scientifically defines what "organic food" is.

The last time I checked, all protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins were in fact all organic no matter where they came from.

Are carrageenan and locust bean gum "unnatural", despite plant origins? Are they "natural" in some contexts but not in others? Is it "natural" to combine cream, sugar, and a portion of a tropical orchid to make a food?


164 posted on 06/04/2006 3:46:33 PM PDT by RSteyn
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To: Beagle8U; A. Pole
I could be wrong?

Only in that if something is naturally caffeinated there is no way to remove all the caffeine. Some bit will remain even if done chemically.

It is like there is no such thing really as a nonalcoholic beer, only a real low alcohol beer.

165 posted on 06/04/2006 3:54:46 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Every lady in this land hath 20 nails on each hand five and twenty on hand and feet)
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To: RSteyn
Well, none of this scientifically defines what "organic food" is. The last time I checked, all protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins were in fact all organic no matter where they came from.

Of course you are correct. Not every notion/word we use is scientific. Science is only a small part of our life and language.

Are carrageenan and locust bean gum "unnatural", despite plant origins? Are they "natural" in some contexts but not in others?

Yes. For example when I was a child in Poland you could buy better tasting butter in the farmer market. But some dishonest farmers were adulterating butter with finely ground cooked potatoes.

So the market inspectors were using a simple reagent to test for the presence of the starch and giving high fines. Still both this butter and these potatoes were natural and "organic".

Adding gums to cream is a similar practice, unfortunately tolerated by the consumers and the law. I never buy such adulterated stuff as I hate its taste.

Is it "natural" to combine cream, sugar, and a portion of a tropical orchid to make a food?

It depends.

166 posted on 06/04/2006 4:01:00 PM PDT by A. Pole (Gore:We are the most powerful force of nature.We are changing the relationship between Earth and Sun)
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To: A. Pole
Just took three loaves of my home made, whole wheat raisin bread out of the over an hour ago. My 14 year-old cut into a loaf a few minutes ago and now there is about half a loaf gone. It's amazing what oven warm bread will do to butter.

Excuse me now, I have to catch up before it's all gone.

167 posted on 06/04/2006 4:05:43 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: dalereed

My banana peppers, hot peppers and tomatos grown without any of that chemical crap have come in nicely. While you're scarfing down tasteless chemically-saturated crap, I'll be dining on sweet pepper steak with pesto...


168 posted on 06/04/2006 4:18:25 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: A. Pole

>Well, none of this scientifically defines what "organic food" is. The last time I checked, all protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins were in fact all organic no matter where they came from.
Of course you are correct. Not every notion/word we use is scientific. Science is only a small part of our life and language.<

So, "organic" is in part of a state of mind?

>Are carrageenan and locust bean gum "unnatural", despite plant origins? Are they "natural" in some contexts but not in others?

Yes. For example when I was a child in Poland you could buy better tasting butter in the farmer market. But some dishonest farmers were adulterating butter with finely ground cooked potatoes.<

I believe your objections are emotional, and don't have a whole lot to do with food safety or stability.

>So the market inspectors were using a simple reagent to test for the presence of the starch and giving high fines. Still both this butter and these potatoes were natural and "organic".<

Because butter does not contain starch. On the other hand, it you cut it with lard or margarine, it would pass the test for starch.

>Is it "natural" to combine cream, sugar, and a portion of a tropical orchid to make a food?

It depends.<

So, which is more evil: ice cream made with orchid parts or made with ethyl vanillin?



169 posted on 06/04/2006 4:22:42 PM PDT by RSteyn
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To: Junior

"I'll be dining on sweet pepper steak with pesto..."

If you have to put that junk on a steak to make it edible you shouldn't have killed the steer.



170 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:18 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: RSteyn
So, which is more evil: ice cream made with orchid parts or made with ethyl vanillin?

If orchid parts are tasty I will like the first. Also I prefer real stuff to artificial flavors.

But do not worry, I would never try to take your scientific ever-lasting Twinkies away. Bon appetite!

See the very scientific Tests With Inorganic Noxious Kakes In Extreme Situations.

171 posted on 06/04/2006 4:34:07 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: dalereed
Granted that the people that chant for this stuff are usually freaks... you can't deny the actual benefits from organic foods. Look at how we live now, with our overly processed foods, and look at the rise in obesity, hyperactive kids, depression and other metal problems (don't anyone get offended, I realize these are real problems, I'm not trying to put them down!) Look at the overly chemicalized world we live in, compare it to the 'simpler' life of generations before, with higher immune systems and better standards of living. You can't deny that eating habits have a big role in this downward slope.
172 posted on 06/04/2006 4:40:54 PM PDT by TrogdortheBurninator (Masters, remember that I am an ass: though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass!)
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To: digger48

Those taste like crap... trust me...


173 posted on 06/04/2006 4:42:56 PM PDT by TrogdortheBurninator (Masters, remember that I am an ass: though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass!)
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To: Ditter
Or even better, Saanan Dairy goats..... fresh, free-range goat milk - there is no substitute.
174 posted on 06/04/2006 4:44:09 PM PDT by TrogdortheBurninator (Masters, remember that I am an ass: though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass!)
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To: TrogdortheBurninator

my eating or living habits, which include lots of everything that the so called experts say will kill you and still am healthy and weigh the same as I did when I was in high school over 50 years ago.


175 posted on 06/04/2006 4:45:45 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Ditter

>> I am 66 years old and have the bones of a 30 year old as per my doctor.

better give them back! ;)


176 posted on 06/04/2006 4:48:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Charles Hendrickson is FRee!!)
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To: TrogdortheBurninator
the 'simpler' life of generations before, with higher immune systems and better standards of living.

Ok, I am for better food but that is nonsense.

We have never had a better standard of living or had a better chance at living longer then we do now and the "simpler life" was hard, nasty and very uncomfortable.

The only people who laud it are those who were fortunate enough never to have lived it.

177 posted on 06/04/2006 4:48:31 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Every lady in this land hath 20 nails on each hand five and twenty on hand and feet)
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To: RSteyn
Well, none of this scientifically defines what "organic food" is. The last time I checked, all protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins were in fact all organic no matter where they came from. Of course you are correct. Not every notion/word we use is scientific. Science is only a small part of our life and language. So, "organic" is in part of a state of mind?

To be sold as "certified organic" with the USDA certification seal, the food has to be produced and/or processed according to a defined set of standards that were agreed upon over many years of public debate that included the organics community. Some issues are still being debated, but the basic framework is pretty well set. "Organic" is less a state of mind, and now is a matter of regulations.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexIE.htm

Follow the NOP Regulations link.
178 posted on 06/04/2006 4:52:13 PM PDT by rusty millet
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As my father (a farmer) would say to those pushing "organic" foodstuffs: "Ask your Organic Farmer why he has to have a pesticide license."

Mother Nature has come up with some nasty chemicals all on her own. Just because it didn't come out of Dow laboratories doesn't mean it's good for you.

179 posted on 06/04/2006 4:53:48 PM PDT by whd23
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To: lndrvr1972

I like when the other caveman says, with much distain, that he doesn’t have much of an appetite. I can’t wait to get a chance to order Roast Duck with Mango Salsa at some chi chi restaurant. It sounds kind of good actually.

It’s one of the best commercials of late. I also like the Capital One commercials with the un-employed barbarians.


180 posted on 06/04/2006 5:02:08 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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