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Fighting Our Flush Fixation (No water in toilets to flush)
The Washington Post ^ | Saturday, June 3, 2006 | Elizabeth Williamson

Posted on 06/03/2006 1:35:09 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

As worries about resource conservation and global warming spur growth in environmentally sensitive construction, builders find that one room separates the greens from the traditionalists.

The restroom.

Once the most generic of features in commercial buildings, toilets loom as the earth-friendly builder's final frontier. Eco-friendly toilets -- low-flush, dual-flush or no-flush compost -- conserve water and cut pollution, a double benefit that few other green features can claim.

But try to find one of these toilets. As more builders earn plaudits and save money with geothermal heating and bicycle parking, they remain more likely to plant roof gardens than to install green toilets.

Plumbers say waterless urinals, which use a replaceable cartridge, are unsanitary because they don't wash waste away. Municipalities resist making the changes to plumbing systems that compost toilets require. (In a compost toilet, the high-tech version of an outhouse, accumulated waste decomposes into liquid fertilizer and organic matter.) Users complain that high-efficiency toilets, which use less water than traditional models, require two flushes to do the job.

Behind such objections stands this truth: America remains a flush-oriented society, and the more powerful the flush, the better.

"It was a morale issue," Anja S. Caldwell, green building chief for the Montgomery County public school system, said of initial resistance to the 50 waterless urinals introduced over the past year. "People thought that by taking the flush away, you're taking an entitlement."

Six years after the U.S. Green Building Council established standards governing construction with low environmental impact, buildings certified by the builders' group total 6 percent of construction. The trend is growing. Fifteen states and 49 cities -- including Maryland, Virginia and the District -- have some green building legislation or incentives.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: constipatedlogic; crappers; dc; environment; maryland; toilet; virginia; washingtondc; water
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To: ElkGroveDan

How do you disable it--I want to do it too?


41 posted on 06/03/2006 3:18:39 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th (Send-a-Brick.com. Send a brick to Washington and cash to Minutemen for a wall.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Toilet testers strive to come out No. 2 (Dave Barry)
42 posted on 06/03/2006 3:22:06 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: ElkGroveDan

There is fewer of the 3.5 toilets all the time because people are falling for the water co. rebates but I still change them out.

Anyone in the San Diego area that wants an older one, let me know and i'll save one.

It's too much trouble to try and sell them or store them if I don't have someone that wants it.


43 posted on 06/03/2006 3:27:05 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ElkGroveDan
When we moved into our new home in 1998, I had disabled the commie, low-flush feature before the dishes were unpacked. I then went around the block showing all the new neighbors how to do it.

You mean the lousy toilets required by lousy California state law?

44 posted on 06/03/2006 3:29:36 PM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
What the enviro-bats refuse to understand is that wastewater is never really polluted. All the contaminants -- unless you're pissing mercury or trivalent chromium oxide -- can be removed with little trouble and the water -- often cleaner than the destination into which it is discharged, returned to the water table.

I pass through the pores of oceans and shores,
I change but I cannot die.

-- Shelley

45 posted on 06/03/2006 3:30:19 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Caipirabob

I am such a sick puke. Your post literally made me laugh out loud.


46 posted on 06/03/2006 3:33:42 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: vetsvette
Nicely put, lol.
47 posted on 06/03/2006 3:35:41 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
Two? Try eight, plus manual labor a third of the time. It is just one of the stupidest ideas in human history.
48 posted on 06/03/2006 3:36:37 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: EricT.
You mean the lousy toilets required by lousy California state law?

Yes, those.

49 posted on 06/03/2006 4:06:48 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Thanks, it is a s----- job but somebody has to do it.
50 posted on 06/03/2006 4:18:29 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: ATCNavyRetiree

Screw the low-flush toilets...when I build my house I'll install a NORMAL toilet...every low-flush I have seen needs TWO flushes to work....

Yeah, I said the same thing when we built our house. But try to FIND a 'normal' one! Thankfully, on the internet I found 'America's best flushing system' by American Standard and paid the extra to get a low volume but EFFICIENT toilet. Good luck.


51 posted on 06/03/2006 4:33:21 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: synbad600

They ended up compromising to have some sort of regular plumbing, too, in order to appease the union

LOL - Picture the Democrats at their convention with the plumbers' union bashing the tree-huggers over the head with their plungers. Gotta love those libs!


52 posted on 06/03/2006 4:35:44 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Tell me you live in Berkeley......?


53 posted on 06/03/2006 4:36:33 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: ElkGroveDan

If you can't do any of the above, keep a plunger next to every toilet and make sure your family and guests know how to work it, because those commie toilets are ALWAYS clogging up.

There IS a solution folks - put these into our new house - do a Google search for 'American Standard Americas Best Flushing System' and click on 'see the Champion in action' and watch them flush lots of little rubber t**ds - it's a hoot but it really does work.


54 posted on 06/03/2006 4:42:52 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: vikzilla

Here I go again - Google 'American Standard Americas Best Flushing System', then click on the 'see the champion in action' and watch the video - put these into my house and they work great.


55 posted on 06/03/2006 4:45:50 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
"Screw the low-flush toilets...when I build my house I'll install a NORMAL toilet...every low-flush I have seen needs TWO flushes to work...."

We had a toilet that was from the 70s lots of water, but my husband has, shall we say extra large and long ones. He was always plugging the toilet and we would have to get the plunger out. We heard about the AMERICAN STANDARD (CHAMPION) very little water and works on some sort of suction mechanism. They demonstrate by flushing a dozen golf balls and a long plastic tube. When we remodeled last year we put one in and there has been no plugged toilet since. YEH!

56 posted on 06/03/2006 5:05:16 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: vikzilla
AMERICAN STANDARD (CHAMPION) Low water and works on some sort of suction. Takes large (you know whats) down and no more plugged toilets.
57 posted on 06/03/2006 5:10:03 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: tubebender
If your low water crapper won't push the scat that far, enlist a local Greenie and stuff the overage in his/her pocket and have them take it to the sewer.

*There oughta be a law.

58 posted on 06/03/2006 5:11:01 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: hardworking

I recently stayed in a Hotel (Holiday Inn exp., Isle of Palms, SC) where they had these little plaques on the tank with a plumber in a wetsuit with the caption "Don't make me come up there".

Below it said something like. "These low water usage toilets clog easily, so flush early and flush often."

Now tell me how this is green? These crappers probably, in the long run, end up using more water than the old un-green jobs.


59 posted on 06/03/2006 5:39:58 PM PDT by gigo
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To: Charles Martel

I couple of years ago I was on a trip and stopped at a Motel 6 that had the water pressurized low flush toilets. The one I had worked very well, no complaints, but was quite surprising to use. When I flushed it there was a sound like a firecracker going off, the handle jumped back in my hand, and all the waste vanished. A contractor friend of mine later told me those units cost about $400 apiece, compared to about $100 for a conventional toilet.


60 posted on 06/04/2006 7:57:02 AM PDT by libstripper
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