2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground (Translation)

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[jveritas]

Document Document ISGQ-2003-00004530 dated September 15 2002 is a memo from a General in Saddam Feedayeens to the Supervisor of those Feedayeens who is not other than Uday Saddam Hussein. The memo talks about a hidden large container that contain a Chemical Material and that it was buried under the ground near Fallujah back when Hussein Kamal Hussein was in charge of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission. Hussein Kamal was the brother in law of Saddam who fled to Jordan in 1995 exposed to the world that Saddam still have WMD and then Saddam tricked him to come back by granting him amnesty. When he returned to Iraq he was killed by the regime. If what in this document is true that this shows that one of the obvious way to hide the WMD was to bury it under the ground and in this case the difficulty of finding it in a country the size of California.

Beginning of the translation of Document ISGQ-2003-00004530 page 1 and 2.

In the Name of God The Most Compassionate The Most Merciful

The Republic of Iraq

The Presidency of the Republic

Saddam Feedayeens

Secretariat

The Supervisor of Saddam Feedayeens

2002/9

The Respected Supervisor of Saddam Feedayeens

Subject: Information

Salute and regards Sir

We received information that state the following:

1. A team from the Military Industrialization Commission when Hussein Kamel Hussein was conducting his responsibilities did bury a large container said that it contains a Chemical Material in the village (Al Subbayhat) part of the district of Karma in Fallujah in a quarry region that was used by SamSung Korean company and close to the homes of some citizens.

2. The container was buried using a fleet of concrete mixers.

3. Before the departure of the international inspectors in 1998 a United Nations helicopter flew over the region for two hours.

4. A large number of the region residents know about this container from the large number of machines used to hide it then.

5. It was noticed a non ordinary smell in the region.

6. No official visited the burial site through out the years which give the impression that it is not currently known by the Military Industrialization Commission.

7. Positions for the air defense were digged in the region that surrounds the quarry place without them knowing anything about the container. Also next to it are important headquarters like (Saddam factories-The warehouses of the Commerce ministry- Headquarters of Mujaheeden Khlaq).

Please your Excellency review and order what is appropriate Sir… With regards

Signature

General

Moohsen Abdel Karim Mahmood

General Relations

15/9/2002

End of the translation.

[freema]

Ping me if you find it?

[freema]

2.

I've seen a pic of an area that was off-limits.

[usmcobra]

did bury a large container said that it contains a Chemical Material in the village (Al Subbayhat) part of the district of Karma in Fallujah in a quarry region that was used by SamSung Korean company and close to the homes of some citizens.

Using Google earth I searched around Fallujah for anything that looked like a quarry, notice the lake, there is nothing else like it anywhere near Fallujah and and when viewed closer this whole area has a pattern of streets or girds. I believe the lake to be the former quarry (enclosed on all four sides by some sort of barrier) and the streets or grids (to the left of the highway) to be a possible site where the chemicals might be buried.

here's a closeup of the area I'm talking about showing the streets or grids and a truck park (former storage site?)

[Calpernia]

Hi Freema,

The story of the baby food poisoning is here:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/b/babies/index.html?query=BABY%20FOODS&field=des&match=exact

I'm not too sure this translation is related to these stories though. When I first skimmed the translation before running out the door; I saw BABYMILKCONTAINER as a key word.

[jveritas]

You are welcome :)

[jveritas]

Very interesting.

[Peach]

What an important find and translation! Thank you so much, jveritas.

[Straight Vermonter]

It looks like our guys have been there but maybe did not know what to look for.

On Sunday, US troops destroyed a bunker system built in an abandoned rock quarry in Karmah, near the former rebel bastion of Fallujah west of Baghdad, which had been found four days earlier.

About 150kg of plastic explosives were used to destroy the network and the weapons stored inside, the military said, adding that 12 weapons caches were also found within an eight kilometre radius of the bunker.

The whole complex was 170m wide and 275m long or bigger than four football pitches and fresh food inside showed the hideout had been recently inhabited.

Fully furnished living spaces were found in the warren, along with a kitchen, showers and an air conditioner, hi-tech combat equipment such as night vision goggles and a large haul of weapons and ammunition.

[Mo1]

BTTT

[Straight Vermonter]

Maybe another freeper can identify what this is in Karmah, Iraq.

Bunker? Chemical storage pit?

[Straight Vermonter]

See my post #110.

[Straight Vermonter]

Check this out.

[usmcobra]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=331299

Underground bunkers discovered
Insurgents in western Iraq kept cache of weapons in system
Knight Ridder News Service, Associated P

Baghdad, Iraq - Marines in Iraq discovered a series of underground bunkers used by insurgents in western Iraq that show a sophisticated organization with a vast supply of weapons and enough confidence to operate near a major Marine base.
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The well-equipped, air-conditioned bunkers, found Thursday, were just 16 miles from the city of Fallujah, where hundreds of Marines are stationed. Measuring 558 feet by 902 feet, the underground system of rooms featured four fully furnished living spaces, showers and a kitchen with fresh food, suggesting insurgents had been present recently, according to the U.S. military.

Weapons and high-tech and basic equipment were found inside the bunker: mortars, rockets, machine guns, night-vision goggles, compasses, ski masks and cell phones. Marines also found at least 59 surface-to-air missiles, some 29,000 AK-47 rounds, more than 350 pounds of plastic explosives and an unspecified amount of TNT in a five-mile area around the bunkers.

Nearby, Marines also found evidence of a rifle-training range, including casings from spent 7.62mm rounds, the kind used in the insurgents' favored Kalashnikov rifles.

The underground lair had been in use for some time and was built from one subsection of a quarry, said Capt. Jeffrey S. Pool, a spokesman for the 2nd Marine Division.

The military said the bunkers were discovered Thursday, around 5 p.m., as part of anti-insurgency operations being conducted in Anbar, a center of the Sunni Arab resistance and a province that stretches to Iraq's western border. In the past three days, troops with the 2nd Marine Division found more than 50 caches of weapons and ammunition in the province. Twelve were discovered in the immediate area of the rock quarry, Pool said.

"I can tell you that it is the largest underground system discovered in at least the last year," Pool said.

Decades ago, Saddam Hussein and his aides began building an extensive series of underground bunkers, scattered around Iraq. Hussein hired German engineers in the 1980s to work on these lairs, which included tunnels and chambers beneath palaces in Baghdad and Mosul. It is not known, however, whether the quarry bunker is part of that network.

The find comes amid mounting concern in Iraq that the insurgency has reorganized after a lull in violence following national elections in January.

June 5, 2005, maybe they should start looking at that area again.

But this lake is so out of place with the rest of the region, it screams out at me.

close to the homes of some citizens.

Question, in your reading of these documents are ordinary Iraqis routinely refered to as citizens or are only the faithful followers of Saddam refered to as citizens? This lake is ringed with luxery houses not the type an ordinary Iraqi would live in.

[usmcobra]

That's a farm, with a circular sprinkler. it rotates on a central hub to spray water on the crops.

[Marine_Uncle]

"It looks like our guys have been there but maybe did not know what to look for."
Our guys have been in that region since just after the invasion. The airborne and some mixed regular army, then in 2004 units of the 2/2 Warlords (2nd Battallion 2nd Marine Regiment) and west coast Marine (main body of 1MEF) relieved them.
My nephew was with the 2/2 (Intel). He a number of times stayed in Karmah. After quick raids he would with a patrol recon the area (literally stay a few days at a time in this town) as well as adjacent towns going W and S of Fallujah.
I sent an email to him during that period, after he basically stoped visiting those areas and went elsewhere, after we read a news report about a high value Saddamist being captured in Karmah, due to HUMIT.
I was joking with him in effect, saying what are you guys doing, sitting around and drinking beer.
This goon was sitting there and our guys had not a clue at the time he was there.
I believe Karmah for a long time has been a key operating point for the Saddamist.
Perhaps as conditions become favorable, we shall read about rigorous ground surveys taking place on a grid to locate remaining caches that contain bio/chemical items.
As your aware, the many small finds to date have been due to the capture of some key Saddamist, and in the process, finding something odd on their property, say a concrete slab of earth that was recently dug and refilled, and bingo we would find weapon caches etc..
Bottom line is unless something extremly spectacular in nature was dug up, found on the end of chains in a river bed etc., chances are the L/MSM will stay low. It will be up to books written in the future, that will tell the whole story.

[freema]

I'm sorry, that was a stupid post, not at all clear. I've seen a personal photograph of an uninhabited area, bounded and covered organized vegetation that is off-limits.

[freema]

I'm sorry, that was a stupid SECOND post, not at all clear. I've seen a personal photograph of an uninhabited area, bounded and covered organized vegetation that is off-limits. This particular site was not in Fallujah.

[Jaded]

Their hatred for Bush will destroy all of us. They are as bad as the Palis.

[Valin]

BUMP!

[avacado]

That photo is very interesting. Is there any scale to the image? I wonder what the radius is on that circle that appears to be concrete?