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New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges
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Posted on 06/01/2006 3:19:46 PM PDT by Axlrose

The BBC has uncovered new video evidence that US forces may have been responsible for the deliberate killing of 11 innocent Iraqi civilians.

The video appears to challenge the US military's account of events that took place in the town of Ishaqi in March.

The US said at the time four people died during a military operation, but Iraqi police claimed that US troops had deliberately shot the 11 people.

A spokesman for US forces in Iraq told the BBC an inquiry was under way.

The new evidence comes in the wake of the alleged massacre in Haditha, where US marines are suspected of massacring up to 24 Iraqi civilians in November 2005.

'Massacre'

The video pictures obtained by the BBC appear to contradict the US account of the events in Ishaqi, about 100km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, on 15 March 2006.

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The US authorities said they were involved in a firefight after a tip-off that an al-Qaeda supporter was visiting the house.

According to the Americans, the building collapsed under heavy fire killing four people - a suspect, two women and a child.

But a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The video tape obtained by the BBC shows a number of dead adults and children at the site with what our world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.

It has been cross-checked with other images taken at the time of events and is believed to be genuine, the BBC's Ian Pannell in Baghdad says.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs5000us11; haditha; iraq; ishaqi; msm; murthawatch
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To: Axlrose

Oh yes, we must trust anything that comes out of the muslim camp, since they would NEVER lie, while the US troops, Marines, in this case, are nothing more than bloodthirsty murderers, who like to eat muslim children.

Of course, we must trust anything that comes from the muslims over the US troops... Never mind that time that the Israeli spy drone filmed the muslim funeral "rehersal" where the "guest of honor" kept falling off the funeral pyre, and getting back up on it..." Or the so-called atrocities committed by the Israelis at Jenin, which has been proven as a bunch of lies. Or any of the hundreds of other times the muslims have been shown to be liars.

Yeah, we need to side with them, over our Marines. Hey, Murtha did it, so we should too!

Mark


41 posted on 06/01/2006 3:59:37 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Axlrose

We Support Our Troops

42 posted on 06/01/2006 4:00:12 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: atomicpossum

I have an ugly suspicion that the dead are already buried as per muslime convention. Sure we could dig them back up, but I bet that would be opposed and may even cause a big backlash.


43 posted on 06/01/2006 4:00:20 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Txsleuth; Coop

They were already taught the things that they're going to have refresher courses on. These things aren't anything new being added. At the same time they were taught to fight and win, they were taught this same stuff that is being ballyhooed now.


44 posted on 06/01/2006 4:00:51 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Axlrose
First of all where is the Barf Alert? Second, this is all we need to know. The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.
45 posted on 06/01/2006 4:01:41 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Axlrose
world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

1) I don't trust the BBC with medical diagnoses.

2) This is a video showing alegedly shot civilians. The terrorists have guns, and have been killing civilians by the boat load. Conclusion, the terrorists killed them.

When they have video showing the faces of Marines that we can ID as they pull the trigger, let me know.

46 posted on 06/01/2006 4:02:07 PM PDT by narby
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To: LADY J
So it shows that there were gunshot wounds.

Problem: the first after-action report said that the decedents were all killed by shrapnel from the IED that opened the ambush.

I haven't seen anything yet that shows anybody DOING the shooting!

I was a cop before losing one of my two favorite lungs to a bullet. When a witness says "It was A," and the forensics comes back and says, "Not A at all, it was B," and A and B are extremely different, the witness gets promoted to "suspect."

47 posted on 06/01/2006 4:04:08 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Axlrose

I have to give the entire incident that the Marines killed innocent people a big "Bravo Sierra". There has been too much time for outsiders to role play in an attempt to discredit our US Marines. The current PC to give sensitivity training to those on the battlefield is crazy and only will increase the number of our troops getting killed. It is a F***ing war zone for crying out loud and people die. I have no sympathy for those that can evacuate the area and do not.


48 posted on 06/01/2006 4:04:25 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I agree re the cover up issue - the libs are hoping this will be Bush's Watergate.


49 posted on 06/01/2006 4:05:09 PM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: txrangerette

Have you heard of hiding behind bureaucracy ?

Why yes, i think you have.

Its time for leadership, and time for getting the job done. If it has to be done without one hand tied, looking over the shoulder. All MSM out of Iraq.


50 posted on 06/01/2006 4:06:15 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Axlrose

TURN YOUR TV OFF!!!!!!! America Thanks You!

Now, isn't that better!


51 posted on 06/01/2006 4:07:25 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Steve_Seattle

Correct. Al Qaeda's entire purpose is to kill innocent civilians yet our useful idiots regard them as the morally equivalent, if not morally superior, to our military.


52 posted on 06/01/2006 4:08:10 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Steve_Seattle

Say It Again...
"the news media will make 10,000 times a bigger issue of this one incident than they will make of the 5,000 attacks against civilians perpetrated by the insurgents"

And Again...
the news media will make 10,000 times a bigger issue of this one incident than they will make of the 5,000 attacks against civilians perpetrated by the insurgents"

Thank you Rush for the term...Drive By Media!


53 posted on 06/01/2006 4:10:11 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Coop

Coop this is nothing more than a trap for our guys, the story changes everyday, little details like this one young girl account. How many BDU's have been reported stolen or missing, whos to say the moles from the Iraqi Army are not doing this dressed as Marines?

Safa Younis Salim, the 12-year-old, said she lay on the ground, covered with her sister's blood, and pretended to be dead while her family died around her. Her sister's blood spurted fast; it was like a water tap, she said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003031922_hadithatale01.html

Safa Younis (also seen spelled as Yunis) Salim.

There was one survivor, Safa Younis Salim, 13, who in an interview said she lived by faking her death. "I pretended that I was dead when my brother's body fell on me and he was bleeding like a faucet," she said.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418464,00.html


Only 13-year-old Safa Younis lived -- saved, she said, by her mother's blood spilling onto her, making her look dead when she fell, limp, in a faint.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060527/NEWS/605270390/1039


Twelve-year-old Safa says she survived by hiding under the bed.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13053200/


54 posted on 06/01/2006 4:16:08 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: rightinthemiddle
BUMP to your post, right!

These people are dangerous!

55 posted on 06/01/2006 4:21:22 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: boxerblues; Coop
Was one child seen holding her ears because she knew the IED was going to blow up?

Did all these civilians KNOW what was going on??

56 posted on 06/01/2006 4:25:18 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Axlrose
He's leading and winning the War on Terror against an evil enemy, and that's the truth.

And YOU are sitting safely at your computer in your house saying he lacks courage.

And WE are laughing at you, and that's the truth.

57 posted on 06/01/2006 4:28:14 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Coop

I just read that too....little by little the Marines side of the story is gonna get out.


58 posted on 06/01/2006 4:29:33 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: ohioWfan
Did all these civilians KNOW what was going on??

Haditha is just your everyday small town where everybody knows everybody business...dang nosy neighbors
59 posted on 06/01/2006 4:30:16 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Axlrose

I bet they were shot after they died....

this whole things stinks to high heaven...another reason we should have carpet bombed those areas from the start.


60 posted on 06/01/2006 4:31:56 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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