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How Coherent Is the Human Evolution Story?
Institute for Creation Research ^ | William Hoesch, M.S.

Posted on 06/01/2006 1:12:18 PM PDT by Sopater

"Australopithocines evolved into Homo erectus around 1.5 million years ago and Homo erectus, in turn, evolved into Homo sapiens around 400,000 years ago." This is presented to school children as no less certain than Washington's crossing of the Delaware. The statement makes dual claims: (1) there are fundamental anatomical differences between these three categories, and (2) each occurs in the right time frame. Let us examine these claims.

The anatomical differences between these three groups must be very substantial for the statement to have any meaning. Any anthropologist should be able to spot a Homo erectus on a crowded subway train, even clean-shaven and in a business suit, as different from modern humans. Not so. In fact, leading anthropologists Milford H. Wolpoff (University of Michigan), William S. Laughlin (U. of Connecticut), Gabriel Ward Lasker (Wayne State U.), Kenneth A. R. Kennedy (Cornell), Jerome Cybulski (National Museum of Man, Ottawa), and Donald Johanson (Institute of Human Origins) find the differences between these fossil categories to be so small that they have wondered in print if H. sapiens and H. erectus are one and the same. Fossils classified as H. erectus all share a set of "primitive" traits including a sloping forehead and large brow ridges, yet these all fall comfortably within the range of what are called normal humans today. For example, the very same traits are found in some modern people groups, including Eskimos! Eskimos might not like being referred to as "primitive" humans, yet evolutionists must do so if they are to be consistent. There are a lot of problems with the continued use of this taxon, yet it is essential to the evolution story.

The second truth claim embedded within the statement given to school kids has to do with these fossils occurring in the right time frame. For example, fossils with a H. erectus anatomy should be found exclusively in rocks that are older than those with its youthful descendents, "anatomically-modern" humans. This is decidedly not the case. Putting aside the validity of age-dates for a moment, the range for H. erectus is usually given at between about 1.5 million years and 400,000 years. Studiously avoided in most museum depictions is the fact that fossils with a H. erectus anatomy that are younger than 400,000 years number well over 100, including some as young as 6000 years. Even more amazing is this: fossil humans that are easily interpreted as "anatomically modern" (i.e., non-H. erectus) have been found in rocks that are much older than 1.5 million years. From a dozen different sites have come cranial fragments, including one good skull, teeth, several arm and leg bones, a fossil trackway, and stone structure that each screams out "modern human." The trackways at Laetoli, Tanzania, dated at 3.6 million years, and tibia (leg bone) and humerus (arm bone) from Kanapoi, Kenya, dated at 3.5 million, are especially significant for these pre-date even "Lucy," the celebrated upright-walking ape. These embarrassments have been revised, reinterpreted, and re-dated, but will not go away.

Keep these things in mind the next time you hear of a "missing link" being reported, for example, between H. erectus and modern man (as has been in the recent popular press). God made His creatures to reproduce "after their own kind," and it appears from the fossils that they have done just that.

* William A. Hoesch, M.S. geology, is an ICR Research Assistant in Geology.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; evolution; humanorigins; ignoranceisstrength; pavlovian; science; usualsuspects; youngearthcultists
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To: Dimensio; Echo Talon
Talon,

You have won the point(s)

This is all language (by inference or code) acknowledging that. He will now cement the point(s) for you with more of the same, and perhaps some demands and then insisting you have not met the demands.

Wolf
201 posted on 06/01/2006 10:28:50 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Dimensio

You know all the answers, ask yourself.


202 posted on 06/01/2006 10:51:49 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: vetsvette

I am a reasonable fellow, and not a scientist. Most of what Darwin says I believe, as do most educated Westerners with any familiarity with farm animals. I believe that the Earth is old, that some of the old Testament is not meant to be taken as fact, such as the book of Jonah, and that boneheads perish faster than the sapient if gimmicrats are out of power. It is incrementalism that is the rub, and no matter how I ponder this most fanciful theory, the more dubious it seems. Now please, let us keep this forum civil.


203 posted on 06/01/2006 11:08:38 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: fabian


<< Just a little bit further or closer to the sun and we could not exist on earth. And the rotations and axis changes occur at mathematicaly precise times. Someone had to set that up. >>


Halliburton?


204 posted on 06/01/2006 11:12:26 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: F.J. Mitchell
You know all the answers,

I have made no such claim.

I note that you still have not supported your initial claim with evidence.
205 posted on 06/01/2006 11:16:39 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

None are so blind as those who choose not to see. Evidence ignored is evidence denied, while it is being tripped over.


206 posted on 06/01/2006 11:24:20 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
None are so blind as those who choose not to see.

This statement is not an answer to the question that I asked to you in post #138.

Evidence ignored is evidence denied, while it is being tripped over.

You have thus far referenced no evidence.
207 posted on 06/01/2006 11:28:50 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Coyoteman; Echo Talon; Gaffer
The following article from AIG has a great discusion of erectus, and why it's most likely a variation of modern humans.

Homo erectus 'to' modern man: evolution or human variability?

I see Coyoteman once again posted the often debunked chart of skulls. And Gaffer gave it all the respect it was due. HA!

Coyoteman if you are going to post the skull chart, you really ought to include the following disclaimers, because it's really dishonest not to.


208 posted on 06/02/2006 12:36:06 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Ha! bump

Wolf


209 posted on 06/02/2006 12:53:41 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

So when are you going to show your list of geniuses?


210 posted on 06/02/2006 1:27:28 AM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Show one rude post by Coyoteman or take back your assertion.


211 posted on 06/02/2006 1:29:41 AM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Echo Talon
your faith in man is strong my friend.

Yours is as well.

212 posted on 06/02/2006 1:36:41 AM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Elpasser
If you really believe in evolution, you should have the intellectual honesty to renounce God and embrace aethiesm, because that's the real upshot.

How does evolution make God impossible?

213 posted on 06/02/2006 1:41:06 AM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Elpasser
If you really believe in evolution, you should have the intellectual honesty to renounce God and embrace aethiesm, because that's the real upshot.

The theory of evolution does not state or imply that no deities exist. If you had actually studied the theory of evolution, as you claim, you would know this.
214 posted on 06/02/2006 1:52:08 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: stands2reason; F.J. Mitchell; Coyoteman
"Show one rude post by Coyoteman or take back your assertion."

Let Me! Let Me! Let Me! WHAT FUN!!!

Let's examine every post Coyoteman has made in this thread to see if it's rude or not.

Summary


215 posted on 06/02/2006 2:50:52 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Coyoteman
For my part

That makes me 2 for 2.

216 posted on 06/02/2006 3:07:15 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
evidence? Other than the complexity of the human design? or the design of the universe at large, or the fact that throughout the scriptures they pointed out certain scientific findings around 7 or 8 thousand years before their scientific discovery? Oh but thats right, these are just conjecture, nothing like the statement "Well these fossils look like man evolved, hmmm looks like evidence to me." nah that's not conjecture to me. I still say these fossils are just tragically deformed humans, or apes, whichever the case may be, not steps in some imaginary progression of man from cosmic sludge.
219 posted on 06/02/2006 4:01:32 AM PDT by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Dimensio
Curious? Who "told" you this statement? I do not believe that it is accurate.

An antrhopologist who thought most archiologists were able to get away with sloppy work jsut because they could show off bones.

220 posted on 06/02/2006 4:41:23 AM PDT by pikachu (I do not see the glass as half full or half empty but as the Jack Daniels is gone and the ice melted)
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