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Immigration Prospects Brightening
Powerlineblog ^ | 5/28/2006 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 05/28/2006 10:29:28 AM PDT by Jameison

The Washington Post reports this morning that prospects for the Senate's immigration package are dimming, due to House members' concerns about November's election:

Republican House members facing the toughest races this fall are overwhelmingly opposed to any deal that provides illegal immigrants a path to citizenship -- an election-year dynamic that significantly dims the prospects that President Bush will win the immigration compromise he is seeking, according to Republican lawmakers and leadership aides. Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will not allow a vote on a House-Senate compromise that does not have the support of most GOP lawmakers or one that would undermine the reelection chances of his at-risk members, aides said. According to GOP lawmakers and strategists, about 75 percent of the 231 House Republicans are steadfastly opposed to the Senate bill or even a watered-down version of it.

The Post's article cites poll's that supposedly show strong support for the administration's plan, but, as one House member says, "they must not be polling anyone in [my] District."

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; elections; imigration; immigrantlist; limbaugh; rush; thehouse; ushouse
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To: Jameison

"Path to citizenship." Anybody else getting tired of this line?


141 posted on 05/28/2006 2:33:58 PM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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To: Diogenesis

Jeeze! Where'd you get those figures? I'd like to see the study, and forward it to dopey liberal acquaintances of mine.


142 posted on 05/28/2006 2:39:17 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Luke21
""Path to citizenship." Anybody else getting tired of this line?"

I thought it was a crock of manure from day one. Anyone that was seriously interested in gaining US citizenship wouldn't have come into our country illegally in the first place. I strongly believe that the majority of illegal aliens are here solely for economic gains.
143 posted on 05/28/2006 2:41:56 PM PDT by Rick Deckard
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To: RFT1
"The thing about people of your ilk, to be blunt, is that its so easy to refute your claims with well known facts."

And the thing about people of your "ilk" is that if you could...you would. But you can't, so you don't.

Here are some facts....I said the following "And all three of those countries have a very healthy and large immigrant population.
As of the 2000 census (latest I could find on short notice) Singapore's population of 4 million included 750,000 "non-residents". As noted earlier, Taiwan's "non-resident" population was 500,000 out of a population of 22 million, and South Korea has an immigrant population numbering 440,000 in 2003 (not including an estimated 300,000 illegal workers) out of 48 million. So of the three, your best case is definitely South Korea. My best is Singapore. However, my original statement stands as written.

144 posted on 05/28/2006 3:05:18 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: clawrence3
Do you live in California

Yes.. So Cal all my life, right now in Buena Park in Orange Co.

145 posted on 05/28/2006 3:31:15 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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To: churchillbuff

I thank you for your reasoned response! I am not prepared or desirous to go into a long debate. I would add that in the relative short term opportunities (jobs, investments, etc.) will cause many in the USofA to copy the Mexican, only they will be moving south. Would your "wall" keep them in the country or allow them to migrate?


146 posted on 05/28/2006 3:58:44 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: sinkspur
"Even Pence has gone beyond the House bill with a guest worker program"

You know that Pence's bill is vastly superior to that of the Senate bill.

C'mon now sinkspur

147 posted on 05/28/2006 4:53:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Rokke

Singapore strickly controlls its immigration and guest workers, none of the guest workers in Singapore will ever have a chance to become citizens. As for Tiwans non resident population, what percentage of them are from mainland China, with possible refugee status?

As for South Korea, where did you get your facts and figures? I suppose they have some "guest" Chinese workers, but overall percentage of immigrants in South Korea is around 1% of the population. Again, your "arguements" fall flat on their face, as is the case with anyone who supports open borders.


148 posted on 05/28/2006 5:59:23 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: RFT1
"Again, your "arguements" fall flat on their face"

I used to waste time trying to figure out what people like you are talking about. I have since learned that you're really just playing a silly game that isn't worth joining. In this case, I make a clear statement. I repeat it several times with specific support. You create a bunch of your own qualifiers for the statement and then tell me my "arguements" fall flat on their face.

I've wasted enough time playing games with people like you lately. You seem to be more than capable of creating and arguing against your own "arguements". Enjoy yourself.

149 posted on 05/28/2006 7:25:36 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: sinkspur
"Americans, Republicans, and conservative Republicans actually support comprehensive immigration reform, and they will not take it lightly if the enforcement-only crowd burns down the bill, rather than acquiesce in creating a path to citizenship for the illegals already here -- as supported by 80% of Americans and over 75% of Republicans "


Yeah?
Like in this poll?

"While 52 percent said there should be no amnesty, 32 percent said they would favor amnesty for illegal aliens who currently reside in the United States.

The U.S. Congress has estimated that there are 11 million illegal immigrants now living in America. Amnesty was offered to people in this category during the Reagan administration, but it did little to stem the tide of illegal immigration into the country, primarily via the U.S.-Mexico border.

As Congress now works on immigration reform legislation in Washington, the survey shows there is a significant partisan divide on this question. Among self-identified Democrats nationwide, 51 percent favor amnesty, while 29 percent oppose it. Another 20 percent said they are unsure on the issue.

Among self-identified Republicans participating in the survey, just 13 percent said they favor amnesty, while 76 percent said they oppose such an offer. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614110/posts
I have little confidence in drive-by media "polls", but if you are going to come up with some crap "poll", we'll just have to give you a taste of your own medicine won't we?
150 posted on 05/28/2006 7:31:59 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Rokke
Appears you come from a family of quitters. I'm not sure those are the people I want choosing this nation's leaders anyway.

Some you fellas on here to be more careful about what you write. A LOT of folks are VERY upset about this. You make some ignorant, smart-aleck comment like the above on a regular basis and you're going to live to regret it. You and your bunch are NOT going to tell those who are angry about inaction on immigration that they have to accept YOUR philosophy about how to deal with the problem. It is obvious that the majority of government representatives are only pandering to the big-money interests who are becoming wealthy from the cheap illegal immmigrant labor.

I did not recently come on board, by the way. If you will research my posts back through the years, my MAIN issue has been the illegal immigration issue and I have posted story after story about the massive, negative impact on our society and have basically been ignored. And, here's one more:

Illegal immigrants who open investment accounts with a bank or brokerage using their passport number, etc. instead of a Social Security number do NOT have their income from that account reported to the IRS for tax purposes. Spouses who have an illegal alien spouse can share that account and none of the income in that account is reported for tax purposes.

Don't tell me about selecting leadership. Anyone who defends leadership which has put the above type of rules in place along with the hundreds of other items I could mention that are disenfranchising and bankrupting those of us who are legal and follow the rules needs his/her head examined.

151 posted on 05/28/2006 7:38:52 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: sinkspur

A huge majority of Republicans voted for all three major Civil Rights Acts (1964, 1965, and 1968) and then voted for the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972.

Did blacks and feminists rush to the GOP to thank them for this support? Nope! Both became bedrock Democrat support groups, giving the Dems as much as 90% of their votes.

All the GOP will get for voting to create a "path to citizenship" for the illegals already here, while increasing the number of immigrants coming here in the future, is a larger block of Democrat voters. The President's proposal is a disaster for the GOP, for conservatism, and for the survival of America as a first world Western nation.


152 posted on 05/28/2006 7:44:27 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: clawrence3

"Exactly - we need to find 6 replacement voters though who won't quit."
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If GWB signs something with Amnesty or "earned pathway to citizenship" you'll get your wish...12,000,000 x 16 voters....mostly Dum-o-crats


153 posted on 05/28/2006 7:45:26 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"You make some ignorant, smart-aleck comment like the above on a regular basis and you're going to live to regret it."

Are you threatening me?

"A LOT of folks are VERY upset about this."

Yep. And according to texaslil, 6 members of his/her family have decided to never vote again. That makes them quitters. Period dot. I have no idea what they hope to accomplish by removing themselves from the democratic process, but I do know that quitting never fixes anything. If their logic tells them quitting is a viable solution, I certainly don't want them choosing leaders for this nation. I'm not interested in being led by a quitter.

154 posted on 05/28/2006 7:48:38 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke; texaslil

Sorry, I meant to ping you to the above post.


155 posted on 05/28/2006 7:49:35 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: clawrence3

"If you don't think China and India are a long-term threat to the U.S. economically (and therefore militarily someday), you are sorely mistaken."
________________________________________________________
It's you who are mistaken.

But...but...they have "most favored Nation status" in trade...

and...gee....globalization is GREAT!

Keep on buying chicom-crap at Walmart.


156 posted on 05/28/2006 7:50:00 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: clawrence3

If the Senate bill passes, then our nation will be well on its way to becoming a one party banana republic. Imagine California's politics nationwide. Leftist Democrat majorities in both houses of Congress as far as the eye can see. Leftist Democrat presidents as far as the eye can see, with the occasional exception of a "moderate" Republican, assuming he has popularity from some other venue (similar to Arnold). A permanent and shrinking conservative minority in the central part of the nation, and a few southern states. North Carolina, with 14 electoral votes, being the largest GOP leaning state, Texas and Florida having gone the way of California sometime around 2012 or so.


157 posted on 05/28/2006 8:35:14 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: ncountylee
ncountylee wrote:
Newport Beach is still wonderful but the writing is on the wall if we don't get control of the borders and clean up the refuse already here. I've been in this house for 30 years and need alarms, motion detecting lights, chains for outside furniture etc.

Anyplace where one requires alarms, motion detecting lights and chains for the outside furniture has long since - in my book - passed from being "wonderful" to something - well - far FAR less "wonderful". Frankly, I would not would to live anywhere _near_ there.

Why do you stay?

Is this "the future" for the rest of America, as well?

- John

158 posted on 05/28/2006 9:04:44 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: babygene
babyjean wrote:
So help me understand... Are you supporting the Kennedy/Democrat immigration bill that just passed in the Senate?

You really don't expect him to provide a straight answer to a simple question like that, now, do you?

Because the open borders advocates will never (repeat, NEVER) come right out and say that they support unlimited immigration, illegal or otherwise.

But that's EXACTLY what they support. If any one of them reading this posting takes issue, let him or her state otherwise, without categorization.

I'm convinced that the open borders crowd on here take the positions they do because they - like the ecomonic and cultural elites that are pushing for the destruction of our country - have a financial hand in it.

What other reason could there _possibly_ be?

- John

159 posted on 05/28/2006 9:20:12 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Fishrrman
I should have said...Newport Beach is still wonderful by California standards.

And yes, if the invasion continues the problem will spread. IMHO

160 posted on 05/28/2006 9:22:20 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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